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So does "far right" mean you're concerned about the impacts of mass immigration?

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genesis92 · 03/01/2025 16:13

Cause I'm far right if so then!

Genuinely interested to hear what people consider as being "far right". I put it in quotation marks cause the term is so over-used incorrectly, it's actually lost all meaning.

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username299 · 04/01/2025 21:25

Nordione1 · 04/01/2025 20:42

I was rather thinking of Starmer taking responsibility and doing the honourable thing. Silly me. It's Labour.

What honourable thing? He hasn't done anything wrong, you're making stuff up.

bombastix · 04/01/2025 21:09

You raise a pertinent point. In power since July. This government is six months old.

Migration has been an issue for decades. I’m all for having an open debate but to suggest Starmer is uniquely responsible does not bear scrutiny.

I favour much lower levels of migration, and consequently much tougher laws on settlement, visas, social resources. I see a lot of people suffering in the UK. We are a rich country; it doesn’t need to be so unequal.

Nordione1 · 04/01/2025 20:59

bombastix · 04/01/2025 20:49

But you have not reserved your judgment!

Well, I have read a newspaper since July and he's not bathed himself in the glory of honourable and skilled decision making. So hopes aren't high. But let's see if he can surprise everyone.

bombastix · 04/01/2025 20:54

BlueSilverCats · 04/01/2025 20:51

Aww you're the right kind of immigrant. Well done you.

As one who was the wrong kind for a long time , as the media made it so, I bow down to your superiority.

There will no right kind of migrant. I did not see that in the riots this year.

The idea there will be is daft. White British it will be, with some associated hangers on who will be rich enough to evade public consequences

suburburban · 04/01/2025 20:52

OneAmberFinch · 04/01/2025 20:46

In the context of migration, I think people are unaware of just how low the standard is.

It's not about chemistry at Oxford vs history at a redbrick. It's both of those vs "foundational business studies" at the University of Zone 5 which has never failed a single person and doesn't mark attendance.

Likewise with work visas it's not about an accountant vs a plumber, it's both of those vs a convenience store worker who's a cousin of the owner.

I personally think the cultural impact of mass migration is the biggest reason for caution (disclaimer: I am an immigrant from a culturally similar country to the UK and have British ancestry). But the argument for so long has been that the economic benefits justify the cultural costs, and it's important to be clear that in many cases the economic impact is actually a cost too.

I think there is so much dodgy dealing and dishonesty that comes as part of this and then money is taken out of the country

Nordione1 · 04/01/2025 20:51

bombastix · 04/01/2025 20:45

It’s politics. What PM ever resigned unless they lost the backing of their party? I can only think of Harold Wilson.

You may not like this man, but to suspend all logic or grip on the political process doesn’t work either.

He will have to resign eventually. There's no.way he's leading labour into the next election. He's been an utter disaster and it may well be a good excuse for the party to get rid of him. Very sadly I think he will be unable to deal with the civil unrest that I fear will come re this and the truth about the terrorist that started the last riots off. He's clearly unsuited for the job of PM in every area. The sooner he goes for the sake of our country the.better. There are presumably still enough decent Labour MPs and trade unionists left who know this.

BlueSilverCats · 04/01/2025 20:51

OneAmberFinch · 04/01/2025 20:46

In the context of migration, I think people are unaware of just how low the standard is.

It's not about chemistry at Oxford vs history at a redbrick. It's both of those vs "foundational business studies" at the University of Zone 5 which has never failed a single person and doesn't mark attendance.

Likewise with work visas it's not about an accountant vs a plumber, it's both of those vs a convenience store worker who's a cousin of the owner.

I personally think the cultural impact of mass migration is the biggest reason for caution (disclaimer: I am an immigrant from a culturally similar country to the UK and have British ancestry). But the argument for so long has been that the economic benefits justify the cultural costs, and it's important to be clear that in many cases the economic impact is actually a cost too.

Aww you're the right kind of immigrant. Well done you.

As one who was the wrong kind for a long time , as the media made it so, I bow down to your superiority.

bombastix · 04/01/2025 20:49

Nordione1 · 04/01/2025 20:47

The prosecutions were stopped. He was responsible as head of the body making the decisions. I know he's a slippery little customer though so it will be interesting to see how he wriggles out of it like he's done in the past. Let's wait and reserve our judgement and see if he agrees to an investigation into decision making on this.

But you have not reserved your judgment!

Nordione1 · 04/01/2025 20:47

BlueSilverCats · 04/01/2025 20:44

@Nordione1

Presumably he did stop the prosecutions.

Proof or source for this? I backed my argument with facts. Do you have any facts or just opinion?

The prosecutions were stopped. He was responsible as head of the body making the decisions. I know he's a slippery little customer though so it will be interesting to see how he wriggles out of it like he's done in the past. Let's wait and reserve our judgement and see if he agrees to an investigation into decision making on this.

OneAmberFinch · 04/01/2025 20:46

In the context of migration, I think people are unaware of just how low the standard is.

It's not about chemistry at Oxford vs history at a redbrick. It's both of those vs "foundational business studies" at the University of Zone 5 which has never failed a single person and doesn't mark attendance.

Likewise with work visas it's not about an accountant vs a plumber, it's both of those vs a convenience store worker who's a cousin of the owner.

I personally think the cultural impact of mass migration is the biggest reason for caution (disclaimer: I am an immigrant from a culturally similar country to the UK and have British ancestry). But the argument for so long has been that the economic benefits justify the cultural costs, and it's important to be clear that in many cases the economic impact is actually a cost too.

bombastix · 04/01/2025 20:45

Nordione1 · 04/01/2025 20:42

I was rather thinking of Starmer taking responsibility and doing the honourable thing. Silly me. It's Labour.

It’s politics. What PM ever resigned unless they lost the backing of their party? I can only think of Harold Wilson.

You may not like this man, but to suspend all logic or grip on the political process doesn’t work either.

BlueSilverCats · 04/01/2025 20:44

@Nordione1

Presumably he did stop the prosecutions.

Proof or source for this? I backed my argument with facts. Do you have any facts or just opinion?

Nordione1 · 04/01/2025 20:42

bombastix · 04/01/2025 20:38

Don’t be daft. Starmer has the support of his party. Truss had nothing. Her own people wanted her gone

I was rather thinking of Starmer taking responsibility and doing the honourable thing. Silly me. It's Labour.

BlueSilverCats · 04/01/2025 20:40

WhatTheFudges · 04/01/2025 20:10

The country is sinking and will become a hell hole. Our society and infrastructure is dwindling, not improving, therefore eventually anyone not wealthy enough to leave will end up in a life worse off.

Immigration is a problem but we can’t talk about it as it may cause radicals and racism. The reason the gang rapes have all been covered up and swept under the carpet is due to their race. Arresting them and people discovering their race on a national scale could lead to further racism, riots and civil unrest. Letting the child molesters go free through the back door is the lesser of two evils in someone with powers eyes. We are between a rock and a hard place and no one wins, we just all lose.

Except there have been and still are active investigations into CSE, perpetrators brought to court AND convicted. So it is happening.

bombastix · 04/01/2025 20:38

Don’t be daft. Starmer has the support of his party. Truss had nothing. Her own people wanted her gone

Nordione1 · 04/01/2025 20:37

bombastix · 04/01/2025 20:34

And by the same logic some posters expect the PM to fall on his sword? Either they are naive or they haven’t met a politician in their lives.

Well TBF Starmer has stuffed the economy worse than Liz Truss in all the measures she was judged on and she resigned. Why shouldn't he? Put the guy out of his misery!!

BlueSilverCats · 04/01/2025 20:36

bombastix · 04/01/2025 20:32

The amusing idea is that the police look after women overall from sexual assault is not borne out by successful prosecution. Instead some appear to be sex offenders themselves.

Some in oldham/GMT forces. Surprise surprise.

bombastix · 04/01/2025 20:34

WhatTheFudges · 04/01/2025 20:31

Because you will probably find that their failings are of equal measure!
Sweep this under the rug to save society from civil unrest and racism.

And by the same logic some posters expect the PM to fall on his sword? Either they are naive or they haven’t met a politician in their lives.

bombastix · 04/01/2025 20:32

The amusing idea is that the police look after women overall from sexual assault is not borne out by successful prosecution. Instead some appear to be sex offenders themselves.

WhatTheFudges · 04/01/2025 20:31

bombastix · 04/01/2025 20:30

I can’t help but feel that it would have been better to discover the alleged failures of Starmer before he became the PM as this would have better prevented him from gaining power. I wonder why the Tories didn’t do this?

Because you will probably find that their failings are of equal measure!
Sweep this under the rug to save society from civil unrest and racism.

WhatTheFudges · 04/01/2025 20:30

Absolutely Starmer should hold some of the responsibility for the failings behind the Child rapes, and we all know the main reason behind the soft approach.

The joke behind that is everyone is scared about being seen as raciest but I’m sure a lot of people who are not English came here to benefit from the country and the laws we hold. I bet all the women and children would prefer the police to be onside with human kind rather pandering to race, it would improve their lives 10 fold! A 15 year old child was beaten by her dad in broad daylight with a metal pole and wasn’t even charged! I’m sure she rather laws were followed regardless of race, maybe it would give her a chance not to be murdered before she is 30 years old.

bombastix · 04/01/2025 20:30

I can’t help but feel that it would have been better to discover the alleged failures of Starmer before he became the PM as this would have better prevented him from gaining power. I wonder why the Tories didn’t do this?

Nordione1 · 04/01/2025 20:28

bombastix · 04/01/2025 20:23

That’s moon unit stuff

I'm not sure what "moon unit stuff" means but there are already calls for his resignation.

Nordione1 · 04/01/2025 20:25

BlueSilverCats · 04/01/2025 19:51

If he doesn't authorise someone independent to carry out a national enquiry about the rapes of hundreds of thousands of children in the UK while he was in charge of the DPP and CPS then something is very very wrong with his government.

At least you switched to innuendo and veiled allegations, instead of "fact".

He was head of the DPP from 2008 to 2013. The allegations started in 1997!!! They span 17 years if not longer. But obviously it's just those specific 5 years (when actually something was done about it, even if not enough) that warrant scrutiny?

He's PM now. He needs to be scrutinised.as do all the decision makers regarding the grooming gangs from the lowest to highest level. Remember...if he's got nothing to hide regarding his decision making, he will have nothing to worry about.

bombastix · 04/01/2025 20:23

Nordione1 · 04/01/2025 20:22

No I havent actually. Presumably he did stop the prosecutions. Ultimately he is responsible for the.decsions of his department. For something this big one would assume he would be involved in the decision not to prosecute. Hopefully there will be a national enquiry as to the decisions made, possibly once he's resigned.

That’s moon unit stuff