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So does "far right" mean you're concerned about the impacts of mass immigration?

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genesis92 · 03/01/2025 16:13

Cause I'm far right if so then!

Genuinely interested to hear what people consider as being "far right". I put it in quotation marks cause the term is so over-used incorrectly, it's actually lost all meaning.

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CranfordScones · 03/01/2025 18:53

"Far right" is anything that people on the left don't like.

username299 · 03/01/2025 18:52

Comedycook · 03/01/2025 18:43

I agree with your last paragraph and much of what you have said.

But the facts remain the same. Migration was 1.2 million and net migration was circa 750,000 last year. Yes some people leave and yes there are often double standards regarding that. But immigration levels are high. That's not a particularly controversial statement. Im not anti immigration and I don't think we should have zero immigration, that would be ridiculous....I do however believe the levels are too high.

Again...do you think we should have open borders with every country in the world?

No we shouldn't have open borders and we don't have open borders and there's no suggestion we're going to have open borders.

Goody2ShoesAndTheFilthyBeast · 03/01/2025 18:45

Oh. Didn't answer your question.
We have the housing crisis we've created. A lot can be done about that.
Anyone from any country in the world should be free to come here if they can fill jobs, have skills that the country needs and can therefore support themselves.

I'm not including refugees here obviously. Everyone should be able to get to a place of safety, regardless whether they can at that point, work.

Cartwrightandson · 03/01/2025 18:45
Comedycook · 03/01/2025 18:43

Goody2ShoesAndTheFilthyBeast · 03/01/2025 18:39

It's relevant in so far as the rabid right wingers (as opposed to balanced right leaning people) are all screaming about all the black and brown people coming here, taking our jobs, stealing our women... yet never consider that migration is a two way street.

It's particularly laughable when they themselves are living in other countries, calling themselves expats, voting for brexit and complaining about all the brown people taking over the uk.

Not every right wing person is a racist nutter, not by a long shot, but all racist nutters spout extreme right wing views.

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I agree with your last paragraph and much of what you have said.

But the facts remain the same. Migration was 1.2 million and net migration was circa 750,000 last year. Yes some people leave and yes there are often double standards regarding that. But immigration levels are high. That's not a particularly controversial statement. Im not anti immigration and I don't think we should have zero immigration, that would be ridiculous....I do however believe the levels are too high.

Again...do you think we should have open borders with every country in the world?

Goody2ShoesAndTheFilthyBeast · 03/01/2025 18:39

It's relevant in so far as the rabid right wingers (as opposed to balanced right leaning people) are all screaming about all the black and brown people coming here, taking our jobs, stealing our women... yet never consider that migration is a two way street.

It's particularly laughable when they themselves are living in other countries, calling themselves expats, voting for brexit and complaining about all the brown people taking over the uk.

Not every right wing person is a racist nutter, not by a long shot, but all racist nutters spout extreme right wing views.

Comedycook · 03/01/2025 18:31

Goody2ShoesAndTheFilthyBeast · 03/01/2025 18:26

How many people in the uk emigrated to other countries in that time?

I don't think it's even particularly relevant...but just under 7 million apparently . But we have far less control over who leaves versus who arrives don't we? Last year 1.2 million people arrived...and net migration was about 3/4 million. Do you think that was sensible considering the housing crisis? And do you think we should have open borders between us and every country in the world?

Goody2ShoesAndTheFilthyBeast · 03/01/2025 18:26

Comedycook · 03/01/2025 18:20

Slightly worse? According to ons statistics, since 2000, 11.4 million immigrants have come to the UK. That is a huge number.

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How many people in the uk emigrated to other countries in that time?

Goody2ShoesAndTheFilthyBeast · 03/01/2025 18:24

No. It means they're a bigoted twat dressing up racism as concern.

Not ever heard a far righter campaigning for white Australians or white Americans or any other English speaking and white people to go back to where they came from.

Funny that concern comes with a colour chart.

Comedycook · 03/01/2025 18:20

MotherOfRatios · 03/01/2025 18:10

Even if we took immigration out of the issue we still have an issue with housing, immigration has made it slightly worse but even with no immigration we still weren't built enough.

Slightly worse? According to ons statistics, since 2000, 11.4 million immigrants have come to the UK. That is a huge number.

Sussurations · 03/01/2025 18:17

I think most people have concerns about immigration. I know I do, and you might say I’ve become more ‘right wing’ over the last decade or so. I’m not sure that really expresses it, I didnt see our last Tory govt doing anything about immigration except use horrible rhetoric, so I’m not convinced it’s a left/right wing thing.

However, there are people who make everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, into a conversation about immigrants. look at daily mail or Spectator comments on literally any story! These people may be far right, I would describe them as unhinged and racist.

MotherOfRatios · 03/01/2025 18:10

Comedycook · 03/01/2025 18:09

My main concern with immigration is that of housing. There is a serious housing crisis in the UK. Social housing stock has been diminished by right to buy....and is in huge demand. Private rents are through the roof. House prices are out of sync with wages. Yet last year net migration was 3/4 million. It doesn't matter if it's legal migration.... everyone needs a roof over their head and there's not enough and it's not affordable.

For those of you who think people with concerns over immigration are racist/far right....do you believe we should have completely open borders? If not, why not?

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Even if we took immigration out of the issue we still have an issue with housing, immigration has made it slightly worse but even with no immigration we still weren't built enough.

Comedycook · 03/01/2025 18:09

My main concern with immigration is that of housing. There is a serious housing crisis in the UK. Social housing stock has been diminished by right to buy....and is in huge demand. Private rents are through the roof. House prices are out of sync with wages. Yet last year net migration was 3/4 million. It doesn't matter if it's legal migration.... everyone needs a roof over their head and there's not enough and it's not affordable.

For those of you who think people with concerns over immigration are racist/far right....do you believe we should have completely open borders? If not, why not?

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 03/01/2025 18:04

For many far right is anyone slightly to the right from Corbyn,

This tendency to smear will land us all with a Farrage government.

genesis92 · 03/01/2025 18:02

MyNavyPombear · 03/01/2025 16:59

There’s always been mass migration to these islands, so it’s just your inner prejudices. Many legal immigrants come here to work, or else they’d have to leave as per immigration law. The ones I assume you’re referring to are illegal migrants.

There literally has not ALWAYS been mass immigration to these islands?! What utter nonsense

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genesis92 · 03/01/2025 18:00

User37482 · 03/01/2025 17:45

Another from a family of immigrants concerned about immigration. Skills levels and numbers are important. Support for immigration drops if they only person that benefits is the immigrant. It’s perfectly reasonable for the UK to benefit from immigration in some substantive way and turn down immigration that is not going to be of any benefit.

Well these are exactly my thoughts on immigration as well.

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genesis92 · 03/01/2025 17:56

CurlewKate · 03/01/2025 17:33

That's what a lot of far right people say they are. Scratch the surface though....

What happens if we scratch your surface, @genesis92?

Ha, so you've proved exactly the point I was making. Many thanks!

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MotherOfRatios · 03/01/2025 17:48

It's layered and nuance a lot of the justification for lowering immigration is rooted in far right politics and we see this as the same arguments weren't used for Ukrainian immigrants as an example who were largely white.

But a lot of the discussion turns racist

User37482 · 03/01/2025 17:45

Another from a family of immigrants concerned about immigration. Skills levels and numbers are important. Support for immigration drops if they only person that benefits is the immigrant. It’s perfectly reasonable for the UK to benefit from immigration in some substantive way and turn down immigration that is not going to be of any benefit.

CurlewKate · 03/01/2025 17:33

That's what a lot of far right people say they are. Scratch the surface though....

What happens if we scratch your surface, @genesis92?

AIBot · 03/01/2025 17:23

What are your specific concerns about migration?

Of the people came to live in the UK in the year to June 2024,

1.000,000 non-EU nationals
120,000 EU nationals
60,000 British nationals

The main reasons for the increase in non-EU immigration are:

  1. people coming to work legally on work visas, including care workers, doctors and nurses
  2. International students, who come on student visas and pay a lot for studying in the UK.

What do you want politicians to do?

username299 · 03/01/2025 16:59

genesis92 · 03/01/2025 16:41

I would just like to add, I do not consider myself far right, however it just feels that term is now used for people who want to lower immigration. And to answer a PP - no my concerns about it do not change depending on where a person is from, or whether they are white, black or brown.

Far right has a very clear meaning and it's disengenuous to suggest it doesn't. Look it up.

If people are accusing you of being far right because you're concerned that the government are letting in too many immigrants, then they're using far right incorrectly.

Far left is used incorrectly a lot as well. It doesn't seem it's lost all meaning, it means that people are talking hyperbolic nonsense which shouldn't surprise you on social media.

MyNavyPombear · 03/01/2025 16:59

There’s always been mass migration to these islands, so it’s just your inner prejudices. Many legal immigrants come here to work, or else they’d have to leave as per immigration law. The ones I assume you’re referring to are illegal migrants.

museumum · 03/01/2025 16:58

Thinking the answer to our society’s problems is stopping “them” coming here is pretty far right.
Understanding that migration and immigration can be and should be much better managed than it currently is is not far right.

izimbra · 03/01/2025 16:58

genesis92 · 03/01/2025 16:41

I would just like to add, I do not consider myself far right, however it just feels that term is now used for people who want to lower immigration. And to answer a PP - no my concerns about it do not change depending on where a person is from, or whether they are white, black or brown.

Well - that's the accusation that you hear from a lot of Reform UK social media feeds.

Along with 'you can't say anything these days without someone being offended'.

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