Starmer says we are going to have more money in our pockets (new year's speach

Please don’t misunderstand, I am NO fan of Farage. Hell would have to freeze over before I would vote for reform. Sadly, there are many of feel differently…

But staff in private schools, groundsmen, minibus drivers, cooks as well as teachers, will be out of work instead. How does that benefit anyone?

Nah - serves them right for working for posho private schools.

@BurntBroccoli
Almost like it was a planned post

What do you mean ‘planned post’? Do you think the op sent pms to posters telling them she was going to start an anti Starmer thread so would they all join it and agree with her?

I know what they stand for and I don't like it

No schools closing in my city! 1 new secondary and 4 new primaries have recently opened to try and meet demand.
As this article states, there are now concerns the ‘birth rate drop’ has been overestimated with numbers needing school places rising in many cities. www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ced3e219lxzo.amp

I appreciate it’s a first world problem and boo hoo me, but the knock on of middle England reducing their spending means fewer kids going to their local dance school on a Saturday, enrolling in sports clubs, using cleaners, nipping out for lunch or a drink in the evening.

We have reduced our spending with 4 local businesses/self-employed people to be able to pay the fees hike which doesn’t make me feel good as they have bills to pay too. But we don’t have the money to spare so it has to come from somewhere until we can withdraw our kids. 🤷🏼‍♀️

I will pay more council tax, more for electricity so his words won’t be true to me.

Nope, my only planning was because I finished season 14 of Blue Bloods (which was awesome btw) and DH started playing his Xbox so I figured some MN browsing to pass the time before I head to bed.

All very exciting of course, clearly not as exciting as your life is in Paranoia-Land.

Nice try but no, nothing planned here. I'm making late supper and prepping for my job tomorrow in a little manufacturer. Sorry to disappoint.

I presume that somebody from the Spin Department has said, "for goodness sake, try to sound a bit more cheerful, will you. Stop being an Eeyore, you talking down the economy."
However, there's no point telling us we will have more money (in the future) when we know that we haven't right now in the present (and can only see bad things coming over the horizon).

There’s some real paranoia out there! You can’t be surprised that people are commenting here on the PMs New Years speech surely? After anll, his speech was planned… And, based on their popularity, that its not all positive…?

Not really weird - it’s the mood of the majority

But staff in private schools, groundsmen, minibus drivers, cooks as well as teachers, will be out of work instead. How does that benefit anyone?

And yet lots are facing redundancies as schools close thanks to this policy. Indy schools are usually big local employers so local employment markets will be hit badly

That’s a great summary, and something that’s a constant tension in the Labour Party as far as I can see.

Inflation would lead to more money in our pockets, though it would buy less.

Looking on the bright side, some people can look forward to improved job security due to all these children entering/re-entering the state system instead of wondering whether their schools are going to close due to the falling rolls from the huge drop in the birth rates.

But they're generally some of the lowest paid women in society. I can see how an improvement for them where they may have a job and even some discretionary spending would not matter to somebody on the other end of the social divide.

A whole £1.40, I mean, you could get yourself a 5 pack of Freddo chocolates for that!

What a gift from Labour.

Totally agree. One thing I have to admire about Farage is he doesn’t ’sit on the fence’ . I don’t agree with the vast majority of what he says but we know what he stands for. Same with Trump.

Why oh why can’t we have a strong, forceful remain politician stand up with an argument to rejoin the single market, for instance? Not that they would have us.

I think politics in this country needs to change desperately l. The conservatives are damaged by the last 14 years and Brexit and Starmer has had a very poor start. We desperately need a better alternative.

Being this unpopular this quickly surely is unusual, if the nearest example is 45 years ago!

Just taking the simple fact check approach on his statement, there are five ways we can end up with more money in our pockets as I see it.

(1j taxes go down. He’s in control of that, and it’s not happening. Indeed, the reverse.

(2) the government can hand out more benefits, both in work and otherwise. He’s in control of that, and it’s not happening.
(3) the economy grows. He has influence over that, and is influencing it negatively with his chancellors budget.

(4) people are paid more. He has influence over that, and for the majority the budget means that pay rise will be less than inflation, or zero
(5) things can get cheaper. But, council tax is going up, the energy cap is going up, interest rates are falling more slowly and NI is going up so services will cost more.

He's a politician, its always robbing Peter to pay Paul. If you have more money in your pocket will depend on who you are.

No big surprise really.

Yes we'll all have less money but we will be world leaders in net zero. I'm sure that's the one thing we'll all be grateful for. Only going to cost 100's of billions over the next few years......

I guess he isn’t referring to the families who are going to start paying VAT on private education
from now. They’re going to have thousands less in their pockets.

I haven’t heard his speech. I don’t want to hear it.