Starmer says we are going to have more money in our pockets (new year's speach

I don’t think Starmer “lied” about this. He’s a politician so makes optimistic statements about what he’ll achieve, as they all do. I think he’s hopelessly wrong. But that’s not lying.

He may or may not be a proven liar more generally, as others have alleged. But he’s certainly a stinking hypocrite. In company with many other Labour politicians.

I still believe Labour will get two terms though. Interesting, however, that 20 Labour councillors have recently resigned their party membership and Labour’s been losing council seats steadily since the general election.

Well I won't be, because my job is being off-shored

Your choice, a want, not a need

I’m not “anti” Labour or Starmer but it was a stupid thing to say becuase its impossible to think how more money is going to get into our pockets and Labour haven’t shared any ideas. We all know that bills are going to rise in April and wages in general aren’t so HOW exactly are people going to have more money?

Rises

Energy bills are going up again in the summer
I've never paid as much as I am and I live in a modest house and don't use any more than I have historically.
Soon it will be more than the council tax ( which is bad enough )
The bills are just going up and up ( water is too)
Not sure how people are meant to pay these continuing rides

The fact that they were asking the regulators for ideas to generate growth doesn’t inspire confidence does it. Yeah you just made it more expensive to hire people, well do e dumbasses. Also echo the point that everyone was screaming about bond yields and the bind vigilantes when Truss managed to increase it, Reeves has already surpassed her. Well done Labour 🙄

Always jam tomorrow. Like energy bills coming down as we swapped to renewables. All twaddle, all lies.

Only if you work in the public sector or are a train driver. Those in the private sector won't and likely to have less.

Why be,I eve anything he says. They only got elected a few months ago on what was a tissue of lies.

And there are few certainties in life but Labour putting up taxes and spending is one of them so despite the lies, we should have all know what we would get.

I don’t know, not being in possession of a crystal ball. Who could have predicted how it would change in the four years after 2019?

Four years is an eternity in politics and I’d lay money on the country looking very different in 2029.

You may well be right - in what way do you see the country looking very different in 2029?

The Greens aren’t dead, support for them is growing among young voters and those disenchanted with Labour. And how you typed Labour being unelectable with a straight face when they achieved a 156 seat majority less than six months ago I really don’t know. Four years is an eternity in politics and I’d lay money on the country looking very different in 2029.

This is very true.

Nigel is coming. See Sunday Times a few days ago. Tory party is dead, ditto Greens, Labour unelectable.

Well yes, but only if you work for the public sector. Otherwise you will have less and less. Wait till later this year or next when they’ll launch another tax raid …. blamed on Maggie Thatcher or Elon Musk or Nigel Farage. We are only going to get poorer during this parliament due to higher taxes, higher energy prices, higher mortgage costs, higher rents, higher rail fares, higher inflation, higher food bills, etc etc etc.

Look at the value of the pound today against the US dollar. I suppose it’s going to attract US visitors to the UK? So great for tourism..

Ireland is booming and English speaking. Great education standards and very generous social supports. Health care is free for everyone except for GP and scripts which are free based in income. Can we just go there and gain citizenship eventually, I think so.

Not a perfect country by any means but for its size it is punching above its weight. Storm clouds may gather if Trump matches its CT RATE. But membership of the EU and the SM has helped enormously.

UK has always been prone to exceptionalism, a go it alone mentality, Rule Brittania etc and Brexit was the result. I cant see much changing TBH.

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"The British electorate clearly prefer the prospect of declining living standards continuing year on year while on this issue and pretty much every other aspect of the management of the economy - no matter whom we vote for - we are ruled by spineless fools who haven't the slightest inclination to do anything that will improve national living standards, in fact actively sabotage them further, deliberately. "

Oh the British public don't actively want the managed decline of the economy and their living standards. It's just that they don't want to pay the price/ hardship of doing so and would never elect a Government promising either cuts in public spending that affected them (but cuts on areas that don't affect them are OK) or raising taxes on them (as opposed to raising taxes on the "rich" with rich being defined as anyone richer than them but most definitely not them).

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As for all of these arguments about "democracy", they are laughable. The "referendum" was misinformation on steroids, for example Brexiteers claiming repeatedly during the campaign that obviously nobody was stupid enough to even be suggesting leaving the CU or SM...

19 April 2016

Thanks to Michael Gove we know that Britain's future outside the EU would also be outside the single market.

So we can rule out our future looking like Norway or Iceland...

Vote Leave's future plan for the UK would be outside the EU and outside the EEA.

https://www.itv.com/news/2016-04-19/michael-gove-says-britains-future-outside-the-eu-would-also-be-outside-the-single-market-but-what-does-that-mean

12 June 2016

David Cameron confirmed Sunday that he will pull Britain out of the single market if there is a vote to leave the European Union at the upcoming referendum.

He said the Brexit campaign had made it clear to voters that voting to leave also meant pulling out of the single market.

https://www.politico.eu/article/david-cameron-bbc-andrew-marr-ill-pull-uk-out-of-the-single-market-after-brexit-eu-referendum-vote-june-23-consequences-news/

22 February 2016

EU referendum: Ukip leader Nigel Farage says he doesn’t want to be part of the European Single Market.

https://www.cityam.com/eu-referendum-ukip-leader-nigel-farage-says-he-doesnt-want-to-be-part-of-the-european-single-market/

Apparently, we’ll have more money in our pockets as we’ll have the fastest growing economy in the G7.

I mean, i definitely believe him🤔🤣

There’s also the small matter of how soon is too soon for parliament to ignore the result of the referendum and do a ‘U’ turn. At a democratic level, we (the population) voted in a referendum to stay in ‘75, and to leave in 2016. Do we therefore need another referendum? Does the public, or for that matter Labour or the conservatives have the appetite for that? I’m sure they don’t have the appetite for rejoining without a referendum - the far left and right would have a field day.

@Tryingtokeepgoing you've made very interesting points. I don’t know how many years have to pass before another referendum on the same thing can be held.

What bollocks.

You need to forget that KS even gives a thought to Brexit or our place in the EU.
He couldn't care less.

He is neck-deep in facilitating wars in the middle east to benefit Israel. He doesn't care about Europe or the UK. Never has.

As for all of these arguments about "democracy", they are laughable. The "referendum" was misinformation on steroids, for example Brexiteers claiming repeatedly during the campaign that obviously nobody was stupid enough to even be suggesting leaving the CU or SM...

The referendum was advisory only, won by the narrowest of margins following extreme misinformation and in any case this is a Parliamentary democracy. A choice was made by self-interested extremists to implement the most extreme possible version that wasn't voted for and nobody sane would have voted for had they been told this is what would be done and how much poorer it would make them in perpetuity. And regardless, even when voters have voted for a manifesto in a general election Governments do not implement the policies stated in them anyway and do other things with no mandate whatsoever. Our "democracy" is beyond a joke at this point so anybody trying to pretend there is some kind of virtue in this self-harm that continues whomever is ostensibly in charge is, frankly, delusional.

I'm not interested in going over all of this about Brexit again because it's all well-documented fact. It's disturbing that some people apparently STILL don't understand what was done or why (although as always, it might be worth asking yourselves "cui bono?" if it's possible some still haven't realised why this happened), or even appear to think that what Teresa May was proposing involved SM membership!

The lack of understanding about why the UK is in the state it is in now or the motivations behind the extreme decisions that were taken without any democratic mandate to do so and lack of awareness in the electorate about the implications - even after all this time to repent at leisure - are very apparent, yet still we have people saying it would be a breach of democracy somehow to reverse damaging choices that never had a mandate in the first place either in the referendum or any subsequent manifesto. It's almost comical, the level of self-delusion that must be involved to maintain such a view, at this point.

The British electorate clearly prefer the prospect of declining living standards continuing year on year while on this issue and pretty much every other aspect of the management of the economy - no matter whom we vote for - we are ruled by spineless fools who haven't the slightest inclination to do anything that will improve national living standards, in fact actively sabotage them further, deliberately.

PPP per capita will continue to fall off a cliff compared to what used to be comparable countries and your children and grandchildren will either emigrate or lead far more impoverished lives.