How can any Donald Trump fans think that he is intelligent?

If I had injected bleach instead of the Astra Zeneca poison my health might be lot better.

I know the BBC and media cannot set sentencing guidelines however they can highlight and challenge poor sentencing by highlighting issues to the public or making documentaries on the issue. I said ‘They are not responsible for sentencing but they should question and challenge…’.

Sorry op - I have digressed from your original topic but A quick google came up with this on U.K. sentencing.

https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/magistrates-court/item/possession-of-indecent-photograph-of-child/

The above states guidelines effective 1st April 2014 - it would be interesting to know if previous guidelines were tougher. Any links appreciated.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11958253/amp/Keir-Starmer-present-meetings-decided-not-sex-offenders-prison.html

https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/web_27-09-2013.pdf

Sentencing council reports as not everyone is keen on the Daily Mail. However if the Daily Mail is the only paper that reports online it’s rather limiting. Others may have reported in 2013 but it may not be online.

The Sentencing Council is a publicly accountable body. They set the guidelines for all sentences. The judiciary must adhere to them by law, unless there are exceptional reasons not to.

It's not the fault of the BBC or media that the Sentencing Council grade crimes as they do. That decision belongs to the Council.

Sentencing law is complex. But it can be changed.

Why do you care if people find him intelligent? I personally haven’t heard anyone saying he is. People are different and I for example couldn’t see how people thought Kamala was up to the job just because of her race and gender. I find that not very intelligent.

The basic standard of education in the U.S. is pretty low.

Ive gone off topic but I think the BBC and the British media should be challenging why our sentencing is so lenient. They are not responsible for sentencing but they should question and challenge and highlight failures of our judiciary system. Do people think a slap on the wrist for viewing child abuse is correct?

When did watching a child be abused become punished by a slap on the wrist? Who changed it and why? Why do rapists and rape gangs get away with short sentences? (Or not punished and covered up). The media should be exploring the poor sentences as this is in the public interest to protect our young people.

In light of the rape gangs I am highly suspicious as to why sentencing is so slack in the U.K. Do you know who is/was on the sentencing council? Were we always this lenient on child abuse? If not when was it changed and by whom? If anyone has links I would appreciate them.

Bondi wanting to find Americas 300,000 missing children is something I am onboard with and I am interested in seeing how they sentence those involved with molesting, abusing and raping minors. I will do my best to follow this. I hope she gets answers and is tough on the criminals.

Bidon apparently pardoned his family, Fauci and others who apparently hadn’t committed any crimes. I don’t imagine that’s normal for an outgoing president.

Hmmm. Since you seem to think Trump 'has more going on upstairs' than Biden or Harris, I think I'll feel free to disregard your opinion there.

Well he so clearly does but yes, it is my opinion only and you know what they say about those 😊

A large proportion of Biden's pardons were to non-violent drug offenders (mainly non-white) languishing and taking up prison space (at the time of their sentencing the guidelines were for longer sentences than those crimes would get today, most of them had already served the time they would be given for the same crimes) that could be used to house violent criminals.

That said, I'm not a particular fan of presidents having unlimited pardon power.

Especially given we all know he mentally left the building years ago.

Hmmm. Since you seem to think Trump 'has more going on upstairs' than Biden or Harris, I think I'll feel free to disregard your opinion there.

You want to look at the Sentencing Council. It's their guidelines that mandate these low levels for the judiciary.

I agree that the sentences are too short on matters of viewing child abuse. It should be custody given.

Hard agree.

In your opinion... 😉

The BBC is responsible for prison sentences now? This thread is shameful, the levels of ignorance - that means lack of knowledge, nothing worse - is astonishing. And thanks for the lecture, earlier pp, you have displayed your impressive comprehension skills very clearly.

Yes indeed, the Pardon Power seems to be open to misuse. Do you have the same energy for all the pardons given out my Biden as he exited? Especially given we all know he mentally left the building years ago. Who exactly is deciding who gets a pardon? 8064 over his tenure is the figure I am seeing? Happy to be corrected on that.

I'm even less keen on Trump than the BBC as I don't have to pretend to be even-handed. The man's repulsive and dangerous and a liar and a criminal. But I rate Rolling Stone's journalism highly, particularly in this moment, so I'll read this a bit later when I have time. Thank you for posting it.

posted too soon.

I don’t know if 10 years in prison is too short for the crime he committed.

But I do believe the BBC should be focussing on the ridiculously short sentences and 60% reductions given to criminals in the UK. Hugh Edwards being a prime example. Viewing child sex abuse imagery has become just a slap on the wrist.

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-commentary/silk-road-ross-ulbricht-undeserved-life-sentence-prison-1235013443/

An alternative view on the harsh sentence of Ulbricht. Double life plus 40 years with no possibility of parole.

Many other papers show the details with many views. The bbc doesn’t seem keen on Trump so it’s worth reading an alternative view.

I am not a fan at all. But Trump is not stupid, he is a clever man and it pays to look at what he does rather than what he says. What someone says in politics is nearly meaningless.

I think calling supporters ‘thick and racist’ no longer works. It’s a bit like using ‘far right’ to shut down debate. People are really bored of it. I think it is shaming people into changing their point of view. I point it out to my children and say it’s unacceptable. Free speech is an integral part of a democratic society.

I am always happy to hear opposing views. I loved watching debates at the school club and in real life people know I will listen and not close down speech. I may not agree and that’s fine, I can be friends with someone and not agree with someone on every subject.

I am amazed how many people admit they were going to be watching the inauguration and how many appreciate some (and in some cases most) of Trumps plans. They say they wish we had a leader who cares about the UK. People from all walks of U.K. life - Parents, Eastern Europeans, Africans, Middle class retirees, wealthy business owners, factory workers, farmers, civil servants, teachers to name a few etc etc. I have many social circles and mix with so many people. I know people who hate him too and that’s okay and others that hated him and then researched him and admit he has valid points in some areas.

In the last month I have discovered the majority of people I have spoken to (and I have a very large social circle over several towns and from many walks of life) are very unhappy with the British Government’s (Labour and Conservative) and that includes people who voted Labour.

I hope the Americans are happy with their choice.

Yes, I was going to say this. I'd say it's unbelievable, but nothing is unbelievable with him.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz7e0jve875o

I completely agree.

So it is observed, recorded & authenticated that ALL Trump voters are racist & misogynistic, stupid etc? And as ever you resort to the implication of stupidity when disagreed with 🙄.

YOU have “done your own research” and YOU have decided that Trump voters are these things. YOU have formed an opinion and then you come onto MN and state that your opinions are facts? I fear it is you that doesn’t know the difference but I suspect almost eveyone else on this thread does so I will leave them to make up their own mind…

I think that ONCE you've started using RANDOM upper CASE letters, you're better off going and having a lie DOWN

Yes, I often wonder if those screaming on the internet about thick, drooling racists voting for Trump ever stop to think how did we get here? How, when you’ve had a democrat government for the last three out of four cycles did we get to a place where you can now declare that over half of your country are thick racists, when we also know there were significant leaps in Trump voters within ethnic communities - Hispanics, Muslims etc. And how is it happening all over the Western World?

In terms of intellect trump has 💩 for brains, his talent is to do with conning people.
I think he's going to make mincemeat out of Elon musk, and that I will enjoy 😊.

I'm sorry that you are unaware of the difference between FACT, observed, recorded authenticated by assorted trusted and verifiable sources and OPINION, the product of the operation of one's mind sifting a variety of jnformation which is frequently described as the result of 'doing my own research'. They may coincide, or not. They are not interchangeable. One IS. The other MAY BE.