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Assisted Dying Bill

240 replies

1457bloom · 24/11/2024 18:15

According to the latest yougov poll, 73% of the general public are in favour of this bill. Why is it that I hear politicians are against it. They are elected to represent their constituents. yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/50989-three-quarters-support-assisted-dying-law

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Ilovetowander · 26/11/2024 08:54

This recent poll does not necessarily reflect popular opinion. I hope the bill is not passed as can see people being pressured to end their life for the sake of others, I also think the law would be relaxed over time. I believe many people think this way but initially the sway of opinion was that you were unreasonable to disagree.

BIossomtoes · 26/11/2024 08:43

Kwiaenrker · 26/11/2024 08:30

Tell me how and when the government is held to account?

Every five years when we get to choose who governs us. By the opposition who challenge it continuously. By the media on a daily basis.

Kwiaenrker · 26/11/2024 08:30

Tell me how and when the government is held to account?

BishyBarnyBee · 26/11/2024 08:17

Kwiaenrker · 25/11/2024 22:05

Other countries? What about them. Openness and accountability? You are fooling yourself.

I would like you to tell us which country you think does it better. Because although the UK is flawed, we are in a better position, and our government is more accountable, than many other countries. Tell us what it should look like?

Kwiaenrker · 25/11/2024 22:05

BishyBarnyBee · 25/11/2024 21:27

A ridiculous thing to say. Our democracy is flawed. But there is far more openness and accountability in the UK than in many other countries and regimes.

What countries do you think are doing it better than us?

Other countries? What about them. Openness and accountability? You are fooling yourself.

BishyBarnyBee · 25/11/2024 21:27

Kwiaenrker · 25/11/2024 20:58

So what? We have no democracy. At least this God awful bill hopefully wont pass

Edited

A ridiculous thing to say. Our democracy is flawed. But there is far more openness and accountability in the UK than in many other countries and regimes.

What countries do you think are doing it better than us?

Kwiaenrker · 25/11/2024 20:58

So what? We have no democracy. At least this God awful bill hopefully wont pass

username8348 · 25/11/2024 20:51

1457bloom · 25/11/2024 20:49

Should they vote for what they think is right or vote for what their constituents believe is right? To what extent should they represent their constituents?

They should take all arguments into consideration and vote based on their analysis.

They're voted for by their constituents to make decisions that take everyone into account.

1457bloom · 25/11/2024 20:49

Should they vote for what they think is right or vote for what their constituents believe is right? To what extent should they represent their constituents?

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JumpingPumpkin · 25/11/2024 20:13

TheignT · 25/11/2024 19:08

It is a conscience vote, they have to live with their conscience not yours.

This. It's fine for them to be cautious, allowing deliberate killing of people is a huge deal.

user942557 · 25/11/2024 20:10

Because laws aren't based off YouGov polls?

Summernightsinthe21stcentury · 25/11/2024 19:41

But it might not be religious beliefs that are making them hesitate in voting for assisted dying.

DogInATent · 25/11/2024 19:34

Summernightsinthe21stcentury · 25/11/2024 19:27

Once you get the bishops out of the house of lords then you can maybe get a shot at secular politics.

Yup, they should go first. Followed by morning prayers in the HoC.

Summernightsinthe21stcentury · 25/11/2024 19:27

Once you get the bishops out of the house of lords then you can maybe get a shot at secular politics.

MrsSchrute · 25/11/2024 19:18

DogInATent · 25/11/2024 19:16

If they could articulate beliefs that were compatible with the needs of their constituents and the population as a whole, that would be fine.

They were not elected on the basis of religious belief, were they?

So you don't mind what they vote, just why they vote that way?

DogInATent · 25/11/2024 19:16

MrsSchrute · 25/11/2024 19:14

Would it be ok if it were non-religious beliefs that caused them to vote against the proposal?

If they could articulate beliefs that were compatible with the needs of their constituents and the population as a whole, that would be fine.

They were not elected on the basis of religious belief, were they?

MrsSchrute · 25/11/2024 19:14

DogInATent · 25/11/2024 19:11

There are several MPs clearly implying that no matter what their constituents wishes are, their religious beliefs will only allow them to vote against the proposal. I find that concerning. Politics should be secular, and politicians should be capable of voting for the benefit of their constituents as a whole - not just those that hold religious beliefs compatible with theirs.

Would it be ok if it were non-religious beliefs that caused them to vote against the proposal?

DogInATent · 25/11/2024 19:11

There are several MPs clearly implying that no matter what their constituents wishes are, their religious beliefs will only allow them to vote against the proposal. I find that concerning. Politics should be secular, and politicians should be capable of voting for the benefit of their constituents as a whole - not just those that hold religious beliefs compatible with theirs.

TheignT · 25/11/2024 19:08

It is a conscience vote, they have to live with their conscience not yours.

Summernightsinthe21stcentury · 25/11/2024 19:06

I also think that people are very divided nowadays on every single issue, like Brexit, like Tory v Labour, this is not a yes no answer type question. There are so many issues that it is not an us vs them scenario. Everyone has lived experience of family members at end of life, and this raises many ethical questions about what should or shouldn't happen.

Summernightsinthe21stcentury · 25/11/2024 19:03

Thank you for starting this thread, you have reminded me to contact my MP to find out how he is voting. I have raised concerns surrounding vulnerable people with nobody to advocate for them, and time better spent advocating for better end of life care for everyone.

I am not in favour of the bill as it stands, I believe there are many issues about it, and should it pass, then it will allow changes to be made without the same scrutiny.

Chillilounger · 25/11/2024 18:49

If we are wanting bills passed just because a higher percentage of the public want it then why bother going through scrutiny etc etc, just have a YouGov poll decide the lot....Oh wait...that would be ridiculous. It's the job of our elected politicians to take into account a whole range of issues. What most of the public want is only a small part of it.

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 25/11/2024 18:43

Kind of can't believe this is a real advert. Hope it isn't and this is some kind of awful mistake

https://x.com/adrianhilton/status/1861017161646616957?s=46&t=WHoOZZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

username8348 · 25/11/2024 18:22

safetyfreak · 25/11/2024 14:35

I think its unlikely to pass, I heard read so many negative articles from Labour MPs regarding the bill.

Its a shame, as I do believe people should have this right.

I think people should have a right to a decent health service and palliative care.

upinaballoon · 25/11/2024 17:01

IOSTT · 25/11/2024 14:23

I think a large part of the issue is that if the bill is passed, it will gradually be watered down as the years go by - it’s currently being proposed for those who are terminally ill and expected to live less than 6 months.

When abortions were first “allowed” in the UK, they were only to be used if the pregnancy risked mental or physical dangers to the woman; now abortions are given pretty much on demand.

How long until euthanasia is given on demand, for any reason?

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How long? - er - 20 years.

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