Assisted Dying Bill

How will you do that? It is the hands of the legislature, not the public. Do you have any thoughts about the worries disabled people have expressed?

Bloody hell.

I'm delighted. Wish this had been around for my dear mum.

Those of us who support the bill need to ensure it becomes law.

I am so sad about this. My experience of how people treat the old and the vulnerable has led me to have a bleak view of what will happen now we’ve been given the option to choose when someone has to die. For instance, I know someone who quite openly says that it would be better if her mother in law, who has dementia, died right now - rather than making life so difficult for her children. She’s feels no compunction about saying this - she genuinely believes it to be true. The thing is, I know her mother in law and although her life is difficult now in many ways she still often has happy moments and her life is definitely still worth living. However, if people were to tell her this was not so enough times I can imagine her being persuaded to agree with them. Another person I know told me she wanted her mother in law to go into a care home, but her husband did not agree. I said I could see his point of view as people very often go downhill quickly when they go into homes. Eg I know of one woman who died two weeks after going into a home, because she stopped eating. The person I was speaking to said, “Well that would be a blessing frankly. The care home costs more than a thousand pounds a week.” Do you really think someone like that wouldn’t exert pressure on an elderly relative to end their life in order to save money? I know these are individual anecdotes, and I can’t prove that lots of people are like this, but that is what I believe. Lucky you, if your experience of life has led you to have a kinder view of humanity. How could we have done this? I feel sick.

@Luminousalumnus You really think that they're the only people that will be eligible?
Look at every other country.

I think people should be able to choose it but passing the law means people who don't want to die will be euthanized. That is the issue.

The Canadian example is one rogue example.

So if we discover 428 cases then we just write them off?

www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2024/11/27/canadian-coroner-records-430-cases-assisted-dying/

"A Canadian coroner has recorded 428 cases of doctors breaching assisted dying guidelines since 2018.
Dirk Huyer, Ontario’s chief coroner, recorded hundreds of cases of doctors and nurses breaching medical guidelines around assisted suicide, and recorded a “pattern of not following legislation”, documents seen by The Telegraph show.
In multiple cases, clinicians confessed to not waiting for the minimum period before administering lethal drugs and not recording assisted dying as patients’ cause of death.
In one incident, described as “horrible” by the coroner, a patient was forced to “suffer tremendously” after a physician gave him the wrong drugs.
Last year, a quarter of all assisted dying providers in Ontario had at least one case of alleged non-compliance."

You see, I can see the advantages for the individual - ones who are able freely make the decision and arrive at a more peaceful death. I'm not against it in principle - I don't think it's inherently bad.

But I think it is dreadful for society, one filled with narratives of who is valuable and who is a burden and an ableist understanding of what it is to live with level of dependency.

How old are you? Were you really terminally ill with less than six months to live age 18? If that's the case then yes you could have chosen this option if it was available. Why do you think that is a choice that should be restricted?

Lots of disabled and vulnerable people and the organisations that represent them have expressed concerns. Those concerns are being swept aside

I'd expect nothing else, @PandoraSox - or in the words of one of our local MPs (which presumably weren't intended to be overheard):

"Well, most of 'em don't vote anyway ...*

Women have a higher prevalence of cardiovascular disease than men.

What about heart disease

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Men aren't more likely to die of heat attacks.

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Have you read the quotes? Liberty absolutely have taken it into consideration. They are speaking as human rights law experts with massive reservations about this Bill. Liberty supports the principle of assisted dying. They are quite clearly saying that they consider this Bill to be worse than the status quo. Otherwise they would be urging MPs to vote for it.

The tory government have penalised us, the disabled, for so many years.

My PIP has been removed at times (reinstated once fought)

I have physical and mental health issues. I've been on several waiting lists for ages, some for years. How long before I will be approved for euthanasia in the UK?

I've been suicidal on and off since aged 8. I would have been euthanized at the age of 18. Poor, disabled, vulnerable and black. Not to mention my autism and my sex.

Is it

A, a great proportion of men die of heart disease and heart attacks than women

B. Higher male suicide rates.

That’s just two off the top of my head. Anyone can come up more to explain a statistic. It does not equal correlation nor causation

You have nothing to be worried about, this is about giving everyone choice.

Actually, I do.

I've been under mental health teams since age 4. Been medicated for mental health issues since aged 10. I'm now 28.
At 18 I would have been approved for euthanasia in Canada.

This is horrific news. Vulnerable people have been made even more vulnerable.

This is excellent news. I am thrilled. How dare the most vulnerable in society be denied what is a basic right for those of us who have the physical capabilities to take matters into our own hands.

I am doing, 1457bloom, and still don't think we can make a bad situation better by introducing measures like this

Those obsessed with the cost of the sick, elderly and disabled would do well to look at Wes Streeting's remarks about the resources that'll be needed, and that's if there was to be any hope of it being run properly, so I'm afraid that anyone thinking that any "savings" will be invested in palliative care is likely doomed to disappointment

In any case the lawyers, committees and endless "consultations" will probably swallow up so much that there'll be nothing left with which to run it effectively, even if that were possible

That would do nothing, you would just be asked, at each appointment, if this was still correct. This is absolutely no barrier to anything.

This is why I am very conflicted about the Bill. Lots of disabled and vulnerable people and the organisations that represent them have expressed concerns. Those concerns are being swept aside.

Is it

A) they are taught that they have less value
B) that women are the support sex and taught they shouldn't be a burden or
C) That they are more vulnerable to the coercion and abuse of the people closest to them

D) All of the above?

They can decide they don't want it and have something on their medical record to this effect.