Page 9 | Why do some people think Trump is a good man?

Lyannaa · 2024-11-16T19:28:26+00:00

There are a lot of people, even in the UK who act like you have offended their mum or dad if you point out what an awful person he clearly is. Even his own family don't like him and plenty of people have said how his relationships with his own children are merely transactional. If people like him, is it because they are fascists themselves deep down? Or is it some type of mass hysteria?

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Lyannaa · 16/11/2024 23:22

People who work from home are lazy now?I've heard it all. Tell that to my dp who works from home 8am til 9pm with very few breaks because he's a workaholic basically.

Your post makes zero sense @GentleFlower.

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Lyannaa · 16/11/2024 23:18

Jonismorf · 16/11/2024 23:14

I don't think he's a good man, but I think he's a better man for the job of POTUS than Biden, and so do the voting majority in the US. The western world is in dire need of tough leaders.

Biden didn't run. Last time he did run, he beat Trump.

In fact, there are those who blame Obama for the rise of Trump in the first place because Obama stopped Biden from running in 2016. Had he run, then, Trump would probably never have got a taste of the WH. Biden is suffering cognitive decline now, of course but he was more than capable in 2016.

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Lyannaa · 16/11/2024 23:14

He was terrible?? I didnt agree with most of the lockdown measures which basically punctuated his leadership but Corbyn would have done the same.

Are you one of those people who started believing that Covid didn't exist, that hospitals were empty and started listening to Qanon?

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Jonismorf · 16/11/2024 23:14

I don't think he's a good man, but I think he's a better man for the job of POTUS than Biden, and so do the voting majority in the US. The western world is in dire need of tough leaders.

KoalaCalledKevin · 16/11/2024 23:10

@GentleFlower I wasn't really talking about the Covid restrictions. And I think Corbyn would also have been a bad prime minister.

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Lyannaa · 16/11/2024 23:08

KoalaCalledKevin · 16/11/2024 23:06

Well I can see how people would say he has toxic masculinity, but then so did Boris and his sexual shenanigans.

An odd comparison since Johnson was a terrible prime minister.

Quite. In fact, he's another type of Trump populist leader. Indeed, he was a terrible, self-serving prime minister.

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Lyannaa · 16/11/2024 23:07

Echobelly · 16/11/2024 22:48

I think some people see him as 'anti establishment' and as a needed 'outsider' and for them that's enough to make him a good guy.

I am personally very well up for people who aren't 'professional politicians' and with life and business experience being in politics, but that doesn't mean people like Trump. Trump is absolutely only in it for Donald Trump. He doesn't want to actually make people's lives better. He wants veneration and worship and he knows he doesn't actually have to do anything positive to get that - he just has to punch down at vulnerable groups and then people can be distracted from the fact that their lives are not getting any better. I could even see the benefits of having a conman in charge of your country if he were wily, clever, good at reading others and playing people, but all Trump's one trick is hiring smaller businesses, refusing to pay them and having more expensive lawyers so he never has to pay them, which is a basic and dumb as gets.

Also a lot of people want to identify with powerful people because they think this will help make them rich/powerful, but they don't understand that the last thing those at the top want is to make more people rich and powerful, especially poor and disempowered ones. But they think rich people must be clever and better, even if all they did was get born rich (see also Elon Musk) and surely they'll want the best for everyone.

Thank you for this insightful post - I think it has answered my questions to some extent about the mindsets of people who seem to support this man.

Incidentally, I don't see his relationship with Elon Musk lasting very long. I predict a big, nasty and public fall out.

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KoalaCalledKevin · 16/11/2024 23:06

Well I can see how people would say he has toxic masculinity, but then so did Boris and his sexual shenanigans.

An odd comparison since Johnson was a terrible prime minister.

KoalaCalledKevin · 16/11/2024 23:05

Coconutter24 · 16/11/2024 20:50

Why do some people think Trump is a good man?

Why do you think he isn’t?

Oh come on. Even if you think he'll be good at being president, no one who brags about sexual assault is a good man.

People who think he'll make a better president than Harris would have but who don't really like him/his personality are far more sensible than people who think he's a wonderful and decent man who will manage to (in his words) "solve every problem in America". Any politician in any country who says "I can solve every problem" is either a liar or a complete idiot.

GentleFlower · 16/11/2024 22:55

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SweetSixty · 16/11/2024 22:54

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And look how that ended for Johnson and the country.

People never learn.

GentleFlower · 16/11/2024 22:52

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SweetSixty · 16/11/2024 22:49

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Those are quite some downsides to be ok with.

Echobelly · 16/11/2024 22:48

I think some people see him as 'anti establishment' and as a needed 'outsider' and for them that's enough to make him a good guy.

I am personally very well up for people who aren't 'professional politicians' and with life and business experience being in politics, but that doesn't mean people like Trump. Trump is absolutely only in it for Donald Trump. He doesn't want to actually make people's lives better. He wants veneration and worship and he knows he doesn't actually have to do anything positive to get that - he just has to punch down at vulnerable groups and then people can be distracted from the fact that their lives are not getting any better. I could even see the benefits of having a conman in charge of your country if he were wily, clever, good at reading others and playing people, but all Trump's one trick is hiring smaller businesses, refusing to pay them and having more expensive lawyers so he never has to pay them, which is a basic and dumb as gets.

Also a lot of people want to identify with powerful people because they think this will help make them rich/powerful, but they don't understand that the last thing those at the top want is to make more people rich and powerful, especially poor and disempowered ones. But they think rich people must be clever and better, even if all they did was get born rich (see also Elon Musk) and surely they'll want the best for everyone.

Edingril · 16/11/2024 22:44

I take an election to be voting for someone's job so which person would I think better for the job of the 2 candidates and would vote for that

It is not a popularity contest to me

GentleFlower · 16/11/2024 22:40

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SweetSixty · 16/11/2024 22:39

@GentleFlower but surely people who absorbed all that information would also know about the rape/assults, grab 'em by the pussy comment, the Stormy Daniels adultery whilst Melania was caringfor a baby, the batshit lawsuits coming out of his ears, the 'I'm the father on IVF' bull etc?

They must have just ignored the downsides.

GentleFlower · 16/11/2024 22:30

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ObieJoyful · 16/11/2024 22:20

Newsenmum · 16/11/2024 20:50

That’s really interesting. Did she really not know?

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Honestly, no.

Those who knew her were astounded by her support for him whilst she was there!

SweetSixty · 16/11/2024 22:10

I'm asking why some people act offended at the assertion that he's a lying sociopath who incited an insurrection.

The biggest Trump fan I know has been so brainwashed by conspiracy theory sites that he sees Trump as the true hero who has been the victim of a campaign of lies put about by a liberal cable who seek to control the universe.

According to him Trump isn't a racist - he had a black girlfriend don't you know. Trump's incitement of insurrection was a brave response to a corrupt elite who stole his leadership. Trump loves women - the grab 'em by the pussy thing was just boys being boys/deep fake tape etc etc etc.

To him Trump is the saviour of the people and anyone who questions that needs to 'open their eyes to the truth' and stop being bewitched by the fake climate news driven lefty, woke media.

Utter batshit.

RafaistheKingofClay · 16/11/2024 21:51

Coconutter24 · 16/11/2024 20:50

Why do some people think Trump is a good man?

Why do you think he isn’t?

Because he’s a convicted felon and a rapist.

Notaflippinclue · 16/11/2024 21:39

Because he says he will - deport undocumented migrants, tax cuts, cut climate regulations, end the war in Ukraine, pardon some of the J6 rioters, sack Jack Smith, end the pushing of gender nonsense in schools and the military and enshrine in law sex is binary. Lots of other stuff but this looks good to voters after the last 4 years.

FrippEnos · 16/11/2024 21:35

Most of the time its because those that start these types of conversation start by saying that those that vote for him must be racist and thick, so why would they even engage?