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Why do some people think Trump is a good man?

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Lyannaa · 16/11/2024 19:28

There are a lot of people, even in the UK who act like you have offended their mum or dad if you point out what an awful person he clearly is. Even his own family don't like him and plenty of people have said how his relationships with his own children are merely transactional.

If people like him, is it because they are fascists themselves deep down? Or is it some type of mass hysteria?

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Alphaalga · 17/11/2024 02:45

People in bad and worsening situations looking for answers and getting only lies pick the lies that suit them best.

Some even know they're lies, but are so stupefied by what they've been drip-fed by the mob of liars that are the media that they see hatred and division as necessary means to an end.

Ask them what they think that end is and you'll get nothing beyond stuck-record regurgitation of the utter nonsense Trump comes out with.

R053 · 17/11/2024 02:40

Yes, I agree with the previous posters who said that conservative Christians see him as an instrument of God to bring about their more desired society i.e 10 commandments in the classroom, censored libraries, no abortion and only married people (man and woman) having sex. I know quite a few Christians and they very much want more traditional lives for women in general with fewer options for divorce. These type of Christians feel very cornered and under existential threat with loss of membership especially by the young unless the type of radical change they want comes about.
Trump knows this and in fact told them they’d only have to vote once.

That’s why I don’t think other Western countries will go full Trump even if they vote for right wing parties because they are less religious. It’s more about immigration e.g France.

BettyBardMacDonald · 17/11/2024 02:28

PermanentTemporary · 16/11/2024 19:53

No idea. He's a disgusting person in so many ways. He's a corrupt, racist person who is obsessed with status. Thick as mince isn't right imo; he's cunning and manipulative with zero shame. Given that we had Johnson for so many years, I don't doubt that most of us as voters are shallow and easily led. I think Johnson and Trump despise us for choosing them.

I have an American friend who is intelligent and employed as a journalist on a national publication.

To my horror she told me she voted for him because he is "pro-life" and her "faith" (catholicism) requires it. I was dumbfounded. She's 61.

I said what does your priest think about all the Ukranians going to be slaughtered and she never replied.

BettyBardMacDonald · 17/11/2024 02:25

username358 · 16/11/2024 19:37

Many people in the States are angry and frustrated. They're working harder than ever and getting less and less in return. They want someone who they can relate to who is going to shake things up and stick it to the man.

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The global population is 8 billion even as natural resources, the need for human labour, etc are declining.

Of course it's going to be more difficult to find a way to earn a living and to get a share of the good life, on an ever-shrinking planet.

People who blame that on heads of state are morons.

coxesorangepippin · 17/11/2024 01:48

He's not thick - his knows his audience

It's a simple as

SunshinePlease24 · 17/11/2024 01:34

I don't agree that it's as straightforward as people not being very bright, having no morals, having extreme Christian beliefs or being MAGA fanatics.
Clearly Trump reach goes well beyond these stereotypes. It was far from the case that this election was won from the votes of uneducated insular Americans. Much wider demographic groups played a significant role in his victory too.
I suspect that most Trump voters from a wide variety of backgrounds were well aware of his morals and lack of integrity, but they chose overlook that to vote for him anyway.
I suspect that for many Americans the choice came down to whose policies they felt would be most likely to give them what they feel they most need - more disposable income, reduce their gas bills, grocery store costs etc etc. The things that are important to people day to day. Trump understood this and capitalised on it.
To answer a previous question I suspect some atypical Trump voters get angry and offended when we brand them/him as stupid because as Brits we tend to simply view Trump as bad and mad. The US election being the choice between good and evil. Trump voters were obviously willing to look beyond the man and focus on what he can potentially deliver for them and their families. And I think many are willing to overlook the madness of Trump if they feel that they'll be largely unaffected by the darker side of his beliefs and proposed policies.
GB and USA are poles apart in terms of values, attitudes to wealth and success etc. Self made flashy characters like Trump are often lauded in the US as aspirational while we Brits tend to cringe at flash and brash. We're very different from them and probably won't ever fully understand the layers of decision making that brought Trump his victory.
Put simply many new Trump voters are offended that we think we have the right to judge their carefully thought out voting decisions.

XChrome · 17/11/2024 00:40

sprigatito · 16/11/2024 19:43

Some people aren't very bright

Some people share his lack of a moral dimension and have no problem with his appalling behaviour

Some people are ultra-Christian extremists who believe that God choosing to work through an imperfect instrument like Trump is a marvellous thing

Some people are brought up with such a visceral hatred of democrats that it's practically sectarianism and they believe anyone other than Trump means communist dystopia

Spot on.

ObieJoyful · 17/11/2024 00:37

CulturalNomad · 17/11/2024 00:13

If your friend only saw positive news coverage of Trump then she was purposely turning to one (possibly two) cable news channels. The vast majority of network (mainstream) news coverage of Trump in the US is mainly critical.

Your friend supported him and sought out positive coverage. Nothing to do with censorship; everything to do with confirmation bias.

I said that it was some networks. Clearly, the one that she watched in Texas was in favour of Trump. She was newly married to a Texan and probably watched what he watched without realising the bias.

They split up; she returned; she saw; she was horrified.

CulturalNomad · 17/11/2024 00:13

ObieJoyful · 16/11/2024 19:48

Because there are news channels in the US who support him. They must heavily censor what they put out because my friend, who used to live in Texas, was a Trump supporter before she moved back to the UK… she couldn’t believe some of the stuff he came out with when she saw footage of him here!

If your friend only saw positive news coverage of Trump then she was purposely turning to one (possibly two) cable news channels. The vast majority of network (mainstream) news coverage of Trump in the US is mainly critical.

Your friend supported him and sought out positive coverage. Nothing to do with censorship; everything to do with confirmation bias.

Lyannaa · 17/11/2024 00:08

The only bright spot for everyone watching from outside the country is that the political infighting will be spectacular.

Apparently, he doesn't understand very much about the history of the US. He doesn't read, and needs a bedtime story approach to help him understand politics. If someone tries to school him on anything he doesn't properly understand, he gets angry and fires them.

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Lyannaa · 17/11/2024 00:05

MushMonster · 17/11/2024 00:01

With the rising of the far right, accompanied by a weird script, I agree.
I am terrified of the far right and the beyond the horizon left. Actually, I fear more the extreme left, because they do not even make an ounce of sense, in general, and they can be more authoritarian than a dictator!
There is definitively a strong element of populism in the emerging far right movements.

I agree. The centre is where the sensible people are, really. Even though I suppose I'd be naturally left myself.

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MushMonster · 17/11/2024 00:04

I do remember watching him stating that they were thinking of trying injecting bleach indeed. That was quite a moment LOL

TheABC · 17/11/2024 00:03

If people voted for his policies in spite of his epic failings as a human being, I could get it.

But Trump's economic policies are on par with Liz Truss for FAFO and he will be enabled by the Republicans at every level.

The only bright spot for everyone watching from outside the country is that the political infighting will be spectacular.

MushMonster · 17/11/2024 00:01

With the rising of the far right, accompanied by a weird script, I agree.
I am terrified of the far right and the beyond the horizon left. Actually, I fear more the extreme left, because they do not even make an ounce of sense, in general, and they can be more authoritarian than a dictator!
There is definitively a strong element of populism in the emerging far right movements.

Isatis · 16/11/2024 23:59

dottiehens · 16/11/2024 23:39

People do not voted him because he is nice. There have been quite a lot of analysts available on election results and why they voted for him if you really are interested. Go on about his personality and you will get more and more frustrated.
Also, he never said to people to inject bleach to cure Covid. Can you send the specific video where you hear him advising people to do this? This makes me believe you are one of those people that by bashing Trump you help him. Most things are there to check and see if you go to the source. The hysteria comes from the democrats that were convinced they would pull the same stunt from 2020 again. They told lies and lies about everything during the last four years.

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Talking of lies, do you accept that Trump did indeed talk about injecting bleach to cure Covid?

Isatis · 16/11/2024 23:56

Chowtime · 16/11/2024 19:48

Some of his policies are advantageous to certain demographic groups - so they vote for him in order to benefit from those advantages.

Also, I think everyone needs to calm down about Trump. He can only stay for 4 years, that'll soon be over, and then he's gone forever. He can't do much damage, the POTUS is a bit like a figurehead, the real power lies with the Senate and House of Representatives.

I wouldn't necessarily bet on that. I'd like to think the US constitution is strong enough, but it's not beyond him to use his powers to try to change it.

MushMonster · 16/11/2024 23:54

Lyannaa · 16/11/2024 23:39

He's a do-er and takes no shit. If Starmer had his ear tickled by a bullet he'd still be on sick leave.

My theory about why Trump had such a non-response to his own assassination attempt is that sociopaths are unable to empathise with themselves as well as others. They are unconcerned with the possibility of their own demise. Unfortunately, his actions put other people at risk as well as himself.

Well... you have to be kidding me that he put other people at risk! Did you miss the reports on how attendees to the rally were trying to inform police at the event that the shooter was on the rooftop? Did not strike you as a bit unreasonable that there was no security on that roof? It was the lacking on proper security performance that put Trump and the poor guys around him at risk. A much beloved husband and father lost his life. Two others got injured. It was the job of the security team to protect them all.

username358 · 16/11/2024 23:52

Lyannaa · 16/11/2024 23:44

I think plenty of non- MAGA people in the US who don't actually like Trump voted for him.

What I don't understand people in the UK like Gentle Flower who look up to Trump and seem to hang on his every word. There is a whole section of society in the UK that do this. Maybe they are just the same people who voted reform.

The same people make excuses for Putin, blame Ukraine for its own invasion and think lockdowns should never have happened. It's like a script.

It's not just the US this is happening. The far right are growing in power throughout Europe. People want an alternative to the status quo and for some, Trump represents that.

Additionally there's a lot of misinformation out there and populism offers simple solutions to complex problems.

Lyannaa · 16/11/2024 23:48

This is the actual footage of him suggesting to use disinfectant 'insure the body'

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Lyannaa · 16/11/2024 23:47
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Lyannaa · 16/11/2024 23:44

I think plenty of non- MAGA people in the US who don't actually like Trump voted for him.

What I don't understand people in the UK like Gentle Flower who look up to Trump and seem to hang on his every word. There is a whole section of society in the UK that do this. Maybe they are just the same people who voted reform.

The same people make excuses for Putin, blame Ukraine for its own invasion and think lockdowns should never have happened. It's like a script.

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dottiehens · 16/11/2024 23:39

Lyannaa · 16/11/2024 19:40

Honest is not a word I associate with him. He claims to know more about stuff 'than anybody else' and claims to have an IQ of 160 when he's clearly thick as mince. Remember the comment about injecting people with bleach to cure Covid??

People do not voted him because he is nice. There have been quite a lot of analysts available on election results and why they voted for him if you really are interested. Go on about his personality and you will get more and more frustrated.
Also, he never said to people to inject bleach to cure Covid. Can you send the specific video where you hear him advising people to do this? This makes me believe you are one of those people that by bashing Trump you help him. Most things are there to check and see if you go to the source. The hysteria comes from the democrats that were convinced they would pull the same stunt from 2020 again. They told lies and lies about everything during the last four years.

Lyannaa · 16/11/2024 23:39

He's a do-er and takes no shit. If Starmer had his ear tickled by a bullet he'd still be on sick leave.

My theory about why Trump had such a non-response to his own assassination attempt is that sociopaths are unable to empathise with themselves as well as others. They are unconcerned with the possibility of their own demise. Unfortunately, his actions put other people at risk as well as himself.

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samarrange · 16/11/2024 23:33

I have a theory that there is a percentage of people who hate the fact that politicians appear to be better than them. By that I don't just mean "do-gooder lefty nanny-state holier-than-thou" politicians, but all politicians, left and right. They stand on the stage and pontificate and tell people how to live their lives, as if their shit doesn't stink (is what these people think).

Then along comes Trump. Yes, he's an asshole. But this means that finally, you get to vote for a POTUS who is a bigger asshole than you are. Heck, maybe there's hope for me yet, if this asshole can get to be President!

GentleFlower · 16/11/2024 23:25

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