Why do some people think Trump is a good man?

I should have been clearer. The poll is regarding trust in the news and the media is newspapers, television and radio.

Therefore the majority of Americans don't trust any media irrespective of how reputable it might be.

For the third year in a row, more Americans
have “no trust at all” in the media

American cable "news" channels have 24/7 programming. Most of this consists of "opinion" programs which I would classify as entertainment vs actual news reporting. So basically talking heads spewing a lot of hot air into their own echo chambers.

Nobody should put a lot of "trust" in this type of media. If you enjoy that type of programming then by all means watch it, but don't make the mistake of thinking that you're getting objective news reporting.

Of course there are legitimate news sources but you have to be discerning about your media consumption. It's discouraging that so many people seem content to only watch coverage that dovetails with their own political beliefs. I'm old enough to remember when a television news anchor would report the news of the day and never give you their opinion. I can't imagine what Walter Cronkite would make of the state of present day American media.

There was a report released by Gallup on “Americans’ Trust in Mass Media.” in October this year. It has released this poll since 1972.

The poll found that in 1976, the percentage of Americans with a "great deal/fair amount” of trust was seventy per cent. Today, that number sits at thirty-one per cent.

For the third year in a row, more Americans
have “no trust at all” in the media.

As wary of ‘this is exactly what I voted for’. Unintended consequences bite back hard. As many British voters could tell you ‘this is what I voted for has a tendacy to turn into ‘this isn’t what I voted for’ very quickly when promises come face to face with reality.

I mean you want to get rid off people who are naturalised citizens, refugees, American citizens married to or the children of illegal immigrants and DACA recipients. These are all people legally entitled to live in the US.

There will be legal immigrants with unexpired work visas/student visas. That’s not what I’m referring to

So you just want to get rid off immigrants irrespective of their status?

Yes, a lot of those are currently ‘legal’ but will not be once TPS is revoked (for example, those Haitians in Springfield are ‘legal’ but their status could be revoked via executive order).

I am hoping that birthright citizenship will be revoked, yes. And children who are citizens will likely be deported along with their family members, because otherwise they’d be in the foster system and that is not a good outcome tbh.

It’s beyond time to clamp down on illegal immigration. This is exactly what I voted for.

Trump must be planning on deporting legal immigrants because he wants to get rid off 20m immigrants, there are only 11m illegal immigrants in the US.

Stephen Miller is talking about 'turbocharging' denaturalisation and there's talk of getting rid off birthright citizenship. If the US is removing whole families, some of them may very well be legal citizens.

Temporary Protected Status (TPS) is for people fleeing war and natural disasters. Over 500,000 DACA (Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals) recipients are also at risk of being deported.

If you have residency you are not illegal. Although he will (hopefully) revoke TPS for several nationalities such as Hondurans and Haitians.

And for those with citizen children, they can just be deported together for now, they cannot sponsor parents until iirc they are 18. Birthright citizenship will hopefully be removed moving forward to make things less complicated.

They don't care about sexual assault, corruption or the environment.

It's delusional selfishness, essentially.

I believe that millions of undocumented immigrants have been in the US for a very long time, at least a decade. He's also talking about immigrants who have residency and removing whole families. He's going to have to change the law.

It should also be mentioned that Bill Clinton was able to mark 12 million ‘returns’ during his 8 years in office. This counts both deportations and voluntary returns due to new restrictions on access to welfare funds, fear of workplace raids, etc.

We have expedited removals so if you can’t prove residency past two years you can just be removed as an administrative matter, you don’t need to see a judge (I hope this is further extended tbh)

@username358
I'm not touchy about it. I just don't think writing him off as 'thick as mince' is helpful. I don't believe anyone is holding him up as particularly intelligent. However millions came out to vote for him and there must have been a reason. It's not because they're 'vulnerable'.

Good point, either really super rich or very vulnerable. But he got in because vulnerable people voted for him in their droves. Just my opinion

He told people what they wanted to hear. Immigration is a big political issue in the West, far right parties are gaining power all over Europe and people want solutions.

Trump promised to round up immigrants. I believe he's promised to round up 20m even though there are approximately 11m undocumented immigrants in the US.

Even the Latin American community came out to vote for him because no one likes illegal immigrants.

He says he's going to declare a state of emergency and get the military involved. He's also going to have to build big detention centres to hold people.

He says that he doesn't care about cost which is good because it's going to cost eye watering sums.

I'm wondering what he's going to do about the law because these people have a right to be seen before a court before being deported and their immigration system has a big backlog due to underinvestment.

I'm wondering how people would vote here if Farage made the same promises. Look at his racist Brexit poster of queues of brown people trying to get into the UK and his rhetoric on crime.People voted for Brexit despite the lies.

Farage even got voted in alongside other dodgy Reform MPs on the same promises and millions voted for him because of 'small boats'. This was an issue caused by Brexit which he was the cause of and people still vote for him.

Trump knows how to appeal to people who feel disenfranchised. He appeals to people largely forgotten by the Democrats and knows how to touch the emotions. People have hope that he'll bring change.

Many are pleased at the people he's bringing into government because they're 'real' and not career politicians. He's going to shake things up and that's why they voted for him.

I'm not touchy about it. I just don't think writing him off as 'thick as mince' is helpful. I don't believe anyone is holding him up as particularly intelligent. However millions came out to vote for him and there must have been a reason. It's not because they're 'vulnerable'.

@username358
I'm not concerned about your vulnerability, and I wouldn't dream of thinking you are lacking in anyway without evidence. I actually said Trump is thick as mince. He is. Also, I'm not writing him off. Clearly he's popular. But he is thick. Why get so touchy about it? So strange. It is a bit cultish come to think of it.

I quite liked Prescott but my friend thought he was awful. I couldn't care less.

@dottiehens

Thank you for your concern but I'm not vulnerable. I just think writing people off as 'thick as mince' isn't particularly conducive to an exploration of why people voted for him.

I could easily write people who voted for Brexit off as thick as mince and vulnerable. After all they believed a shed load of lies but I can look at the context and apply critical thinking.

@username358
He's just won a landslide. Not bad for someone 'thick as mince'.

Thing is though, he is as thick as mince. And he's a liar and he's completely unfit for office. For goodness sake, he's a convicted criminal. He wouldn't get a job driving a bus in the UK. I just don't understand why posters like username actually think otherwise. I just feel that something else is going on and the vulnerable are being manipulated.

@GanninHyem

This story, which Trump tells of himself without any awareness of how it makes him look, kind of says it all to me: https://www.harpersbazaar.com/uk/culture/culture-news/a44116/donald-trump-elderly-man-dying-howard-stern/ - basically a guy bled (possibly to death) in front of him at an event in Mar El Lago and all he could think about was the mess on his 'beautiful floor'

Yes. I didn’t say he was or wasn’t just asked a question