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Why do some people think Trump is a good man?

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Lyannaa · 16/11/2024 19:28

There are a lot of people, even in the UK who act like you have offended their mum or dad if you point out what an awful person he clearly is. Even his own family don't like him and plenty of people have said how his relationships with his own children are merely transactional.

If people like him, is it because they are fascists themselves deep down? Or is it some type of mass hysteria?

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RingoJuice · 24/11/2024 04:10

username358 · 23/11/2024 21:57

I'm prepared for it to kick off. The military have been in talks about what happens if Trump invokes laws to turn them on citizens. Some police forces have come forward to say they won't participate in his deportation plans.

The plans are a logistical quagmire and I can imagine underfunded courts struggling to cope with the numbers. I'm wondering how Americans are going to react when they experience the reality of this.

You have to wonder why this amount of money and resources can't be put towards universal healthcare or something more pressing.

Majority of Americans want mass deportations according to polls. What do you think will happen if their elected officials give sanctuary to unvetted people, some of whom will cause harm (eg Denver mayor said his city will be a sanctuary city, next day it was reported an illegal immigrant raped a 14-year-old girl)

It will be made even more difficult because other cities will ship their illegal immigrants to these cities as an expedient, making these cities even worse and turning public opinion even harder against illegal immigration.

Do you even live in the real world? Honestly speaking, how could any of this be expected to work? People are going to get fed up and no amount of ‘Be Kind!!!’ is going to make it work.

RingoJuice · 24/11/2024 04:05

username358 · 23/11/2024 21:57

I'm prepared for it to kick off. The military have been in talks about what happens if Trump invokes laws to turn them on citizens. Some police forces have come forward to say they won't participate in his deportation plans.

The plans are a logistical quagmire and I can imagine underfunded courts struggling to cope with the numbers. I'm wondering how Americans are going to react when they experience the reality of this.

You have to wonder why this amount of money and resources can't be put towards universal healthcare or something more pressing.

What’s the point of universal health care if you can’t even stop illegal
immigrants from using it?

You have no solution for that. You can’t have open borders and have universal health care. The fact you even speak like this shows how unserious you are.

RingoJuice · 24/11/2024 04:00

username358 · 23/11/2024 21:29

DACA recipients are allowed to work in the US, they are therefore in the country with permission.

You want one rule for Musk and a different rule for others? It's alleged that Musk worked illegally on a student visa and has openly admitted his drug use. As such, he could lose his citizenship.

However what you're somewhat magnanimously saying now, is that immigrants can stay if they have made a significant contribution.

I always make a distinction between immigrants that very much contribute to America, and those that are just normal and those that actively harm. The latter two categories are unneeded tbh.

And DACA is ‘deferred action’ which means that their status is only temporary and can be revoked at our discretion. So not legal—if they were, they’d be handed a green card.

And yea, immigration is a privilege, not a right. Let’s not forget that.

username358 · 23/11/2024 21:57

Lyannaa · 23/11/2024 21:01

Trump promised to round up immigrants. I believe he's promised to round up 20m even though there are approximately 11m undocumented immigrants in the US.

Los Angeles and Massachusetts have both pledged to work against this endeavour to evict immigrants.

Even the Latin American community came out to vote for him because no one likes illegal immigrants.

Yes, there is a certain kind of hypocrisy within humanity like this that was also evident when Asian immigrants in the UK voted for Brexit. It was ok for them to come here, but after that the gates should close, apparently.

I'm prepared for it to kick off. The military have been in talks about what happens if Trump invokes laws to turn them on citizens. Some police forces have come forward to say they won't participate in his deportation plans.

The plans are a logistical quagmire and I can imagine underfunded courts struggling to cope with the numbers. I'm wondering how Americans are going to react when they experience the reality of this.

You have to wonder why this amount of money and resources can't be put towards universal healthcare or something more pressing.

swimsong · 23/11/2024 21:48

MushMonster · 16/11/2024 21:13

I do not think people think he is a good person per se. But I think they appreciate that he speaks the truth of his intentions and mind, at times when many politicians keep taking more u-turns that humanely possible. As an example, he said he would build a wall and he built it.
I think wgat you observe is the consequences of much of the media and democrats stating that only thick as mince people could possibly vote for Trump. So, obviously, they are going to feel touchy about this.
Most USA voted republican. They will have to come up with some other explanation, won't they? Certainly, the republicans are offering a better solution to the problems the population faces.

Given that only 52 miles of new border wall was built during his administration, the fact that you believe "he said he would build a wall and built it" says a lot about the American media and low-information voters.

Lyannaa · 23/11/2024 21:34

I can assure you I am not clever at all. That term is considered offensive nowadays.

Yet you're perfectly ok with defending a man who is a convicted sex offender. This is not an argument you can win Grin

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deeperdrole · 23/11/2024 21:32

Lyannaa · 23/11/2024 21:27

You may think you're clever. I see what you're doing.

I can assure you I am not clever at all. That term is considered offensive nowadays.

Lyannaa · 23/11/2024 21:32

His niece, Mary Trump has plenty to say about his character and why he became the narcissist that he is. I think she knows better than you.

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deeperdrole · 23/11/2024 21:30

Lyannaa · 16/11/2024 19:28

There are a lot of people, even in the UK who act like you have offended their mum or dad if you point out what an awful person he clearly is. Even his own family don't like him and plenty of people have said how his relationships with his own children are merely transactional.

If people like him, is it because they are fascists themselves deep down? Or is it some type of mass hysteria?

Google Kai Trump (his grand daughter) speaking, in front of Trump and her father, and various other family members, you will see how close his family is. I don't mind debating things he may or may have got right or wrong in the past, but what you are raising is just fluff n nonsense. Are you being paid to say all this?

username358 · 23/11/2024 21:29

RingoJuice · 23/11/2024 21:10

I am fine with a certain amount of legal immigration of people like Musk who obviously bring a lot to the country.

You will probably screech ‘it’s cause he’s yt’ but it’s actually because he has established several valuable companies in America.

(and under no circumstances is someone in a DACA category a legal immigrant, what makes you think they are?)

DACA recipients are allowed to work in the US, they are therefore in the country with permission.

You want one rule for Musk and a different rule for others? It's alleged that Musk worked illegally on a student visa and has openly admitted his drug use. As such, he could lose his citizenship.

However what you're somewhat magnanimously saying now, is that immigrants can stay if they have made a significant contribution.

Lyannaa · 23/11/2024 21:27

deeperdrole · 23/11/2024 21:25

OP you keep calling him "thick". Are you aware of how offensive that term is considered nowadays?

You may think you're clever. I see what you're doing.

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RingoJuice · 23/11/2024 21:26

Lyannaa · 23/11/2024 21:19

@RingoJuice right, because only immigrants commit sex crimes, eh?

A crime committed by an illegal immigrant is by definition a crime that did NOT need to happen. It was 100% preventable.

And illegal immigrants tend to be young males, who (by far) pose the highest risk for violent crime

deeperdrole · 23/11/2024 21:26

Lyannaa · 23/11/2024 21:24

@deeperdrole I've heard exactly what Trump said thank you very much. How can you be so deluded? 🤨

You heard him suggest that people infect themselves with bleach? No, he did not. Please don't call me deluded, how rude.

deeperdrole · 23/11/2024 21:25

OP you keep calling him "thick". Are you aware of how offensive that term is considered nowadays?

Lyannaa · 23/11/2024 21:24

@deeperdrole I've heard exactly what Trump said thank you very much. How can you be so deluded? 🤨

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CelebrityLeftist · 23/11/2024 21:23

If people like him, is it because they are fascists themselves deep down? Or is it some type of mass hysteria?

FFS

“mass hysteria” = TDS

”fascists” do you even know the meaning of the word?

deeperdrole · 23/11/2024 21:22

Lyannaa · 16/11/2024 19:40

Honest is not a word I associate with him. He claims to know more about stuff 'than anybody else' and claims to have an IQ of 160 when he's clearly thick as mince. Remember the comment about injecting people with bleach to cure Covid??

To be fair, he didn't say this, if you google "white light, bleach" you will find what he said. He was referring to something a HS person had said in a presentation just before Trump spoke briefly. I think it would also be fair to say that medical stuff is not his strong point, but the same could be said about most world leaders at the time, and Trump was basically trying to make sense of what had been said and kept asking the person "you are researching this, then?"

This is an example of why people are hacked off. There is a lot of discrediting and b*llocks going on, about nonsense. Just now people are worried about ww3. They are worried about not being able to afford food and other basics. They don't care about the mindless nonsense.

Lyannaa · 23/11/2024 21:19

@RingoJuice right, because only immigrants commit sex crimes, eh?

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RingoJuice · 23/11/2024 21:15

Los Angeles and Massachusetts have both pledged to work against this endeavour to evict immigrants

Yeah, the mayor of Denver said this. Literally the day after it was reported an illegal immigrant raped a girl in his city. People will NOT like the consequences of their actions.

Yes, there is a certain kind of hypocrisy within humanity like this that was also evident when Asian immigrants in the UK voted for Brexit. It was ok for them to come here, but after that the gates should close, apparently

Maybe they realize that only high-level immigrants should come? Maybe they escaped a place like Afghanistan and don’t want to see the kind of dysfunction that happened there to happen in their new country? Lots of good reasons tbh

Notaflippinclue · 23/11/2024 21:14

Perhaps they'll concentrate on gangs and criminals and folks that don't take on the American way - folks that contribute and prove themselves give em a chance

RingoJuice · 23/11/2024 21:10

username358 · 23/11/2024 21:01

They are correctly under the impression that they are home as they are American citizens.

Anyway, you've answered the question. Your problem is not illegal immigrants, it's all immigrants irrespective of their status.

Doubt that would include Musk though.

I am fine with a certain amount of legal immigration of people like Musk who obviously bring a lot to the country.

You will probably screech ‘it’s cause he’s yt’ but it’s actually because he has established several valuable companies in America.

(and under no circumstances is someone in a DACA category a legal immigrant, what makes you think they are?)

Lyannaa · 23/11/2024 21:01

Trump promised to round up immigrants. I believe he's promised to round up 20m even though there are approximately 11m undocumented immigrants in the US.

Los Angeles and Massachusetts have both pledged to work against this endeavour to evict immigrants.

Even the Latin American community came out to vote for him because no one likes illegal immigrants.

Yes, there is a certain kind of hypocrisy within humanity like this that was also evident when Asian immigrants in the UK voted for Brexit. It was ok for them to come here, but after that the gates should close, apparently.

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username358 · 23/11/2024 21:01

RingoJuice · 23/11/2024 20:56

The legality of these particular categories are under debate, yes. I feel they should go back to their home countries and voted along those lines. You may feel differently, as is your right.

They are correctly under the impression that they are home as they are American citizens.

Anyway, you've answered the question. Your problem is not illegal immigrants, it's all immigrants irrespective of their status.

Doubt that would include Musk though.

RingoJuice · 23/11/2024 20:58

RafaistheKingofClay · 23/11/2024 19:26

As wary of ‘this is exactly what I voted for’. Unintended consequences bite back hard. As many British voters could tell you ‘this is what I voted for has a tendacy to turn into ‘this isn’t what I voted for’ very quickly when promises come face to face with reality.

No I will be very happy if Trump can get this done, in line with the wishes of the electorate.

RingoJuice · 23/11/2024 20:56

username358 · 23/11/2024 19:05

I mean you want to get rid off people who are naturalised citizens, refugees, American citizens married to or the children of illegal immigrants and DACA recipients. These are all people legally entitled to live in the US.

The legality of these particular categories are under debate, yes. I feel they should go back to their home countries and voted along those lines. You may feel differently, as is your right.