Why America voted for Trump, a simple, sane summary

@Bippy2024

"They wanted a return to normalcy. Gender ideology is just too out there. They want to protect women and children"

Ie "I voted for a fascist because I hate and fear trans people. Even though I've never met any".

Sounds about right.

And homophobia

I thought one big feather in trumps favour was his stance in abortion and how many extreme Christians there are in the us ?

and racism

I will say though, that I don’t remember the disgusting slogan “Your body my choice” trending on social media after Biden’s win. You can see why people are upset. Not hysterical or threatening, just a bit sad. Let’s hope things calm down soon for everyone.

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/trump-misogyny-tiktok-reproductive-rights-us-election-b2643207.html

As I said, I cannot understand.
I get why the democratic campaign was limp and without proper strategy, but what i don't understand is how those 72 million Americans - including minority groups that he has maligned over the past however many years forgot all about that and voted for him anyway.
It does look as though 12 million democrats failed to vote this time which really is the reason they did not win, but goodness me those 72 million just saying oh yes dodgy bookkeeping and sexual assault - potential rape - these don't matter in a president. What matters to me is what's in my bank account. I guess they didn't press the inflation point about tariffs.

Trump did not do well on the economy. Go find a simple explanation for the economics. It was Obama’s economy!! Ffs.

He suggested injecting bleach might be a good idea.

Amazing really.

I’m not screaming at anyone. I do think Trump is a racist misogynist disgusting human being. I do understand what people want to be different; I also think he is abhorrent and does not have the best interests of women or the environment at heart and that bothers me.

People are allowed to dislike him and find it sad that he won without being told we’re bigots. I’m not screaming or calling anyone names. I’m allowed to not like the result or think it is good news. Your guy won, congratulations. Hope you get what you want.

I didn't vote for Trump and find him to be odious on many levels, but I understand why so many people thought he would be better for the country than Harris, who ran an absolutely awful campaign, by the way.

This is why Harris lost.

https://www.wsj.com/politics/elections/how-kamala-harris-lost-presidential-election-88e594e8?st=CHTdDd&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

Also the Democrats are a fundamentally flawed party. I don't agree with everything they believe in, I don't support every policy of theirs. But that does not mean they were not the better choice. They were. Infinity times over.

@MissConductUS

I don't pander to racist or homophobic rhetoric just because it's now acceptable to hold those views. If you are willing to vote for a sexual predator for whatever reason, I will judge you because you are willing to sacrifice the rights of minorities for your own personal gain. A political narrative is always necessary and of course there will be disagreements on policy but human rights are non negotiable.

If Trump-stype American core values include buying American, one wonders why there are so many made-in-China red MAGA hats sitting proudly on American heads.

In principle it's not a bad thing to increase domestic production and reduce reliance on overseas manufacturing. The issue is that to go from an economy that is heavily reliant on overseas suppliers, to one that is more self-sufficient, is a very long and insanely expensive process. You want to make your own electronics? You'll need a silicon fab or 10. You want to make your own silicon fab? You'll need incredibly precise machinery and optics as well as supplies of a wide variety of interesting chemicals. You want the machines that can build those incredibly precise machinery and optics, and the industrial processes to manufacture those chemicals...?

To get from here, to there, will need much more than just a blanket tariff on imported goods. That's like deciding you want to get fit to enter a marathon and so you start by cutting your legs off so you'll weigh less.

I’ve never been an advocate for shutting people up aka cancel culture. Freedom of speech is always essential.

As for scrutiny and suspicion, yes, by all means exercise both of these as much as possible.

Democracy is the way we have chosen to govern ourselves in the west. When the people speak they must be heard. This is perhaps even more essential for Trump’s detractors than for his supporters.

That’s a load of nonsense.

You can hold an opinion without the same being true of yourself.

It is not always projection.

That's true of course, just bookkeeping, where's the harm. What about the sexual offences? Just a bit of tomfoolery gone wrong, I guess?

You're right clearly a lot of Americans have thoughts and beliefs I can't begin to understand.

Last time around he had a lot of people around him to keep him in check, this time it doesn't seem that is the case.

And this, in a nutshell, is the political problem the democrats have. When working class, middle American voters support them, they are the salt of the earth and small town saints. When they disagree with democrats on matters of policy and vote against them, they're deplorable rubbish, stupid and desperate.

Blaming the voters when you lose is a poor political strategy and leads to more losses in the future.

This thread has actually summed up exactly what I believe Trump voters are - either stupid/desperate enough to believe anything or morally reprehensible. Thanks for confirming what I already knew.

I understand why people voted for him.

Desperate people do desperate things.

He’s still a madman who will do more harm than good.

I have no reason to doubt the analysis and it makes sense. It's not an issue though for a lot of people as they believe in the MAGA principle and that is why they voted Republican.

That is fundamentally goods consumed by Americans should be made by Americans in America. It's actually incredibly environmentally friendly!

It's not about paying $1700 more a year, it's about not buying tat from China in the first place.

I saw on another thread someone say talk about a "difference in core values" (if their DH would vote Trump). The thing is though most British people's core values are buying clothes made in the Far East by children because they are cheap, buying Chinese electronic tat/gadgets that quickly end up in landfill, and still using Russian gas because comfort is more important than principles. So yes, most Brits do have different core values to Donald Trump.

In the case of the US right those morons who don't listen and go straight for slurs unfortunately include the new president.

Given the state of the EU and its continued deterioration yes it did.

No she can express her free views and opinions here. However, you want it to be your echo chamber.

Whatever

Assertion isn't argument nor does it make something true.

Perhaps you should go back to twitter where your brand of shouty ranting is more acceptable

"mentally unstable" "screeching slurs" "cry fest melt down"

How very balanced of you.

@ThatsNotMyTeen I'm afraid I think that too- he's just a much better bullshitter - the fact is the US relies on a lot of cheap labour and it's wealthy people who take advantage in the main of using that labour- economic things to a large extent are also impacted by international events outside of the US too . If he tones down the 'woke' aspects too- then personally I can live with that- some of it has gone way too far