Women of MN - What do you like about Trump?

What’s interesting though is almost all of the women I saw posting about this were actually in favour of abortions for rape, incest and mother’s life in danger. They didn’t like it as ‘birth control’ or ‘inconvenience’. Now I feel like it should be allowed for inconvenience so I disagree with banning it before 16 weeks. However, most of the more extreme examples I agree with.

That is functionally anti-abortion, as Harris would have enshrined the right to abortion nationally

This was not gonna happen. Had to be an act of Congress and no way could they get that done. It’s just not realistic.

He is a businessman. He understands business and has the skills to run a country like a business.
He will look after the Balance Sheet and the Profit and Loss will hopefully return a profit.
I have worked in many large multinational corporations and I have been through many redundancies (I have never been made redundant) and the first thing that goes in times of crisis is the fluffy, lefty and ‘makey upey’ titles who do nothing and are largely mouthpieces.
Sure, when times are good dead wood can fly under the radar, stealing a pay check.
When the shit hit the fans they go.
I see the Democrats as the waste of space, airy fairy fluff balls in the political realm.

That is functionally anti-abortion, as Harris would have enshrined the right to abortion nationally.

Someone else I saw said ‘why would I vote for the party that criminals, ‘illegal’ immigrants and drug addicts vote for’. Oh and a lot fear of how gender is being taught in schools. Again, it’s just so extreme over there. I am pro gay rights but this woman was showing gay books for BABIES. It was so extreme. So I can totally see why a lot of right wingers see it as grooming. And then homophobia increases. People are scared and poor and crime is high. And they’re angry at the establishment.

I can’t sympathise. Especially since it isn’t just grown women who get pregnant.

Late term abortions are also incredibly rare and usually only happen because the mothers life is at risk or the foetus is either incompatible with life or has a life limiting disability.

The vast majority of abortions happen in the first trimester.

I know what you mean @Flor5 but I’m also starting to think that actually things should be more state run as one person running a ‘country’ the size and variation of Europe is a little bit nuts.

@LoveSandbanks because it’s babies. Think about it - if you genuinely think an unborn child is a child, then he or she comes before everything. And yes they will come before the woman carrying them - even if they circumstance is distressing for the woman. Many women would die for their child. The baby always comes first. And I can sympathise with this view, even if I do not agree with it in reality.

I personally find late term abortion extremely difficult and although I wouldn’t call myself pro life, I’m increasingly finding it hard to call myself 100% pro choice when I realise this would include late term abortions. There are points where I think yep, the baby actually has to come first. Unless the woman is actually going to die, at 30 weeks the baby shouldn’t have to. I am conflicted about this of course and I know it is said with privilege.

It is a gift to pro-choice right-wingers like myself. We can focus on other important issues at the national level while anti-abortion advocates can (generally) keep failing at state referendums since they aren’t terribly popular.

I find your stance consistent and that is commendable.

My Trump supporting friend always says this, and the old chestnut "But the power lies in the hands of each state." This may be true but is this ambivalence not such a cop out from the POTUS? It is a decision affecting half the population after all.

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I’m pro-choice and pro-death penalty. Very rare stance in the UK but not so much in America.

Are you in the US?

I ask because of your comment on decriminalised drugs.
What drugs in your opinion have been decriminalised, and - part 2 - what has been the effect of decriminalisation?

How many victims of muggers or burglars have managed to "defend themselves" while being robbed, and do you realise that there are laws in every state allowing them to legally own and use a gun for this purpose?
Do you believe there are places in the US where this is not possible?

How uncertain and dangerous is the world, really?
Is your feeling that the world is uncertain and dangerous based in reality?
If you had to choose between 'law' and 'order', which would you choose?
If your answer is 'order' have you ever studied history in any depth?

Would you like to be in the early stages of pregnancy right now in Florida, maybe four or five weeks along after maybe two previous miscarriages that happened between six and twelve weeks? I think the word uncertain and probably the word dangerous would apply to your situation if you were that woman.

Or how about a person currently in receipt of Medicaid and undergoing cancer treatment. Your redetermination comes up in, let's say April of 2025. You've had an operation. You've had your port put in. Your chemo is scheduled from December to June, and you'll be doing radiation afterwards. Then you'll have a prescription medication to take for three years, and numerous regular checkups, ultrasounds, MRIs until 2027.
Would you feel the world had suddenly become uncertain or even dangerous?
Bear in mind Medicaid is means tested.

I'd also like to bring to your attention numerous school shootings, which have happened in states of every hue, and the "thoughts and prayers" offered by GOP legislators in response.

Plus the execrable events of Charlottesville a few years ago - the torchlight procession so evocative of the Nazi era - and who can forget the storming of the Capitol, the murder of security agents, the destruction of government property and the property of lawmakers, the threats against the life of the Speaker and the Vice President...

Your memory is as problematic as your fears.

I’m wondering whether many voters especially in the poorer areas are like the people here who voted for Brexit who lived in poor areas, hoping that something would improve. But that in reality they will actually end up worse off.

Voters saying they had more money under Trump than they did under Biden and that they will see their income increase again now. Ignoring the pretty much world wide cost of living crisis.

Trump has a much better track record on this one tbh.

I dont know why there is so much angst to try to understand how people get voted in

America was formed by extremists, isolationists, religious zealots. That DNA runs through the place to this day, despite huge influxes of people with other cultures, they all want to be 'american' and all that that entails, a lawlessness if you like but at the same time fans of being controlling of certain things.

It wont change, we wont understand them, many countries around the world are similar, we share nothing with them but unfortunately seem to need to share allyship with america.

I wasn't going to get drawn into this thread but this is something I've been increasingly angered about. People who, by and large, will be minimally affected by immigration can afford - both physically and metaphorically - to be more open to it, and often confuse other people's resistance to with racism. Same with the Brexit immigration policies. It's easy to be generous and welcoming when it's not your job in the line, it's not your kids missing out because their school is suddenly overcrowded and under resourced, it's not your health services creaking to accommodate swelling numbers in your local area.

Check your privileges, understand that not everyone's life is like yours, especially in a country as vast and polarised as the USA, and then perhaps why Trump received the popular vote won't be so confusing. Even if you don't agree with it, not to try and understand it is wilfully ignorant

I fully expect him to revoke TPS status for Haitians as well as other nationalities that fall under those categories. He can do this through executive action on Day 1. Then deportations can start, although the goal should be to get them to self-deport through making employment impossible and cutting eligibility for welfare programs

Personally I’m strongly prolife in all situations.

I genuinely thought that this was going to be it,it feels quite sad because America one of the biggest democracies in the world has never had a female leader while most of its allies have.

I hope in my lifetime we get to see this but I agree with you for some reason the American people don't feel ready for a female president

Oh and I follow lots of insta mums. Turns out they pretty much all voted Trump (eek). I’ve noticed that a lot of them don’t actually love him but they all have one particular thing they’re focussed on and find him still preferable to what they believe the democrats will do.

I am absolutely not a Trump fan, but he publicly stated that he would leave it up to individual states to manage their abortions laws (which although would leave some with very few rights - I guess you could argue that each state can govern how they want to govern? Not my ideal but I can see the logic). It would be like Europe having one leader. We’ve seen how divided the states are and how that doesn’t really work. Also he agrees abortion is allowed with regards to rape, incest and when the woman’s life is in danger. Supposedly.

I actually think the democrats went the wrong way by focussing so much on abortion because people voting Trump clearly didn’t care about that or were accepting of it anyway. People tend to have one issue they’re passionate about and just focus on that. There are clearly so many issues with Trump’s government and concerns people had that they ended up voting for him, that I wish the democrats had focussed more on that!

I wonder how that wall is going...

Well said 👏 👌