Women of MN - What do you like about Trump?

Most abortions are before viability and doctors avoid c-sections for medical reasons - risk of infection and damage to internal organs.

Ok, well whatever they are, people don't want to vote for them and just like Corbyn, they won't change their policies because they think that they know better.

have you checked legal papers? what's your evidence about going after contraception? do they ban selling or making condom?

the medical conditions are covered in legal papers, but I think it will need clarify for doctors to be able to effectively carry out care duty. same as rapist victims - these will have to be specified.

all I'm saying is that yes it sucks, but comparing to other things need to be fixed, these risks can be mitigated largely be improving self-care behaviours, as well as demand on clear legal guidelines.

A wedding ring on a mother’s finger doesn’t make her any better a mother.

Protected from what, or who?

Most abortions take place before week 20. So you’d be delivering an unviable life, and possibly risking the life of the mother too.

Still okay with that?

choose to have children without getting married is a sub-optimal choice, especially so for the children. it's not outdated. women are more protected in marriage.

If they were left wing they wouldn't have gone out their way to stop Sanders getting the nomination in the past.

They're extreme liberal which is different.

Well they're going after contraception too. So much for your theory...

Abroad for abortion if desperate?
Are you serious?

Ridiculousness aside, it's not elective abortion that is the issue, as the more thoughtful and well-informed have tried to explain throughout this thread.

It's the woman who presents at a hospital who is bleeding and five weeks pregnant. There's still a heartbeat. The only way to stop the bleeding is a D&C.

It's the woman who presents at a hospital who is five weeks pregnant and showing signs of infection. There's still a heartbeat.

It's the woman expecting twins who has started to develop sepsis. Ultrasound shows one twin has died.

It's the ten year old whose PE teacher contacts the police and the Department of Famimy Services when she notices the baby bump.

What to do?

And if that will mean the woman also dies? So two dead instead of one. Do you still believe this?

When a baby is aborted, it is killed and then delivered vaginally. I believe the baby should be delivered vaginally or by c-section without being killed first.

It’s not “just” the abortion issue; it’s removing a woman’s right to make choices about her own body.

I’m not American, but I refuse to have my decisions about my own uterus taken away from me by a group of rich men, and I certainly wouldn’t be voting for it.

As an aside - lots of people get pregnant and have children without getting married. Waiting for marriage is an outdated idea, IMO. Children need parents, they don’t need married ones.

I don’t mean to be harsh, but can you read? I said clearly in my original post that my conscious would not allow me to vote for Trump, and while I feel similarly about Harris, I would be more likely to vote for her in a last minute change of heart as Trump to me is just too far out of the realm of acceptable to me.

His party seeks to reduce food stamps, and food stamp eligibility, which impacts the poor and those reliant on free school meals.

They opposed the ACA, which gave the struggling lower income earners the ability to access healthcare and dental care, and are now rubbing thwir sweaty little hands together in glee at the prospect of dismantling it.

But Trump will prioritise the cost of living? He'll look after those who are struggling?

Pull the other one.

The reason he got elected is cognitive dissonance on a massive scale.

the anti-abortion is a sticking point in the election. however, it could also be used as a protection for women, by women. to get pregnant without a marriage is a sub-optimal position. most cases, women were coerced/bullied into the situation and then further down the line, realised how disadvantaged they have been made. hope this would encourage all women, young girls, to stand their own grounds and not to be submissive towards men, not to get pregnant when they don't want to. it's not like abortion doesn't harm women, it does, hugely, and many regret later on. obviously, the situations with rape, or medical conditions need to be clearly specified, to have an effective law.

I would prefer to deter illegal immigrants, reduce robberies and drugs, better economy, over just abortion choice issue. it's always possible to go abroad for abortion if desperate.

• ...states where immigrants themselves make up a large portion of the VOTING population...

Funnily enough I know your type…

We have a comedian on board!

The detail about schools - public schools in the US are locally funded in each School District, with some funding from state and federal government. Schools can and do bus children within Districts if individual schools are overcrowded. School Districts are obliged to accept and provide an appropriate education for every child whose parents register them. Local funding comes from property taxes.

Also, the detail about immigration - explain please the support for Trump in states where there are barely any immigrants or where immigrants find jobs and do not displace locals? Montana, Wyoming, Idaho, West Virginia, Maine, South Dakota, North Dakota, or states where immigrants themselves make up a large portion of the population - Florida, Texas...

Health services - what is that in the US context? There is private insurance that people entitled to work in the US get through work, private insurance bought under the terms of the ACA, and then there's Medicaid and Medicare, which are both government-provided healthcare benefits. Immigrants who do not have green cards are not entitled to healthcare on the public dime apart from maternity and baby and toddler healthcare services. Green card holders, who are entitled to work, are either employed or supported by a spouse, and either have health insurance provided by an employer or a spouse, have bought their own via the ACA, or are entitled to Medicaid (which is means tested) or Medicare (for those aged over 65). Healthcare providers are not creaking to meet need because of immigrants and displacing anyone's granny from her eye appointment.

And please explain why the states that supported Kamala Harris, and tend to support the Democratic candidate every time, are those where a huge number of immigrants end up - New York, Illinois, California.

Immigration in the US is an issue because of race. When Trump howls about "immigrants" he's talking in code and referring to brown and black people. This is the only aspect of US politics that has any similarity to the UK.

The trans ideology has alienated a lot of would be democrats. Personally I find their other policies much more important and would never vote in Trump because of it, but I can understand why someone might if they were that emotionally
focussed on that issue.

As one of those innocent people in Clacton, thank you! However, my husband has the idea that Trump will visit to see where his "friend" Farage is an MP. We'd need more than milkshakes for that visit.

He is worth almost USD4 billion.
He started with either a relatively small injection from family or nothing, depending on what you believe.
I would call that a personal resounding success.
His position as President is less centred around personal monetary gain. I believe this ‘business’ will be a resounding success.

Fucking hell, is this thread for real? "Bless be the fruit" and all that. Scary shit.

Most of his businesses have gone bust. 🤷‍♀️

This is pretty extreme:

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/07/26/politics/kfile-kamala-harris-praised-defund-the-police-movement-in-june-2020/index.html

And so is their trans ideology.

Most people don't agree with it, but just like Corbyn, they think that they know better than their voters so won't change their policies and so deserve to lose.

I am not American, I am British. I am not pro-gun ownership and I voted for Labour in the last election.