Women of MN - What do you like about Trump?

Wow. You have anger management issues. You can't offer a counterargument so you resort to extremely immature (and illiterate) personal attacks.
Somebody may report your post, which violates MN guidelines, but I want you to know it won't be me. I love it when I'm proven right about somebody, so I say bring it on.
It's amusing that you can't even write a sentence properly but call me a moron. Project much, boo?

Wow. You have anger management issues. You can't offer a counterargument so you resort to extremely immature (and illiterate) personal attacks.
Somebody may report your post, which violates MN guidelines, but I want you to know it won't be me. I love it when I'm proven right about somebody, so I say bring it on.
It's amusing that you can't even write a sentence properly but call me a moron. Project much, boo?

The detail about schools - public schools in the US are locally funded in each School District, with some funding from state and federal government. Schools can and do bus children within Districts if individual schools are overcrowded. School Districts are obliged to accept and provide an appropriate education for every child whose parents register them. Local funding comes from property taxes.

Also, the detail about immigration - explain please the support for Trump in states where there are barely any immigrants or where immigrants find jobs and do not displace locals? Montana, Wyoming, Idaho, West Virginia, Maine, South Dakota, North Dakota, or states where immigrants themselves make up a large portion of the population - Florida, Texas...

Health services - what is that in the US context? There is private insurance that people entitled to work in the US get through work, private insurance bought under the terms of the ACA, and then there's Medicaid and Medicare, which are both government-provided healthcare benefits. Immigrants who do not have green cards are not entitled to healthcare on the public dime apart from maternity and baby and toddler healthcare services. Green card holders, who are entitled to work, are either employed or supported by a spouse, and either have health insurance provided by an employer or a spouse, have bought their own via the ACA, or are entitled to Medicaid (which is means tested) or Medicare (for those aged over 65). Healthcare providers are not creaking to meet need because of immigrants and displacing anyone's granny from her eye appointment.

And please explain why the states that supported Kamala Harris, and tend to support the Democratic candidate every time, are those where a huge number of immigrants end up - New York, Illinois, California.

Immigration in the US is an issue because of race. When Trump howls about "immigrants" he's talking in code and referring to brown and black people. This is the only aspect of US politics that has any similarity to the UK.

Murder is the ultimate anti-social behaviour, which is why it has historically been punished with death. I believe it should also apply to other forms of anti-social behaviour that risk the lives of other people, like attempted murder, rape, serious assaults, violent robberies. Anti-social behaviour isn’t just kicking bins over in the park, it is any behaviour that violates the social contract that gives people the right to be free from certain types of behaviour, and the responsibility not to inflict that kind of behaviour on others.

I think you must have been, given that as far as I can see I am the only person who expressed potential support for the death penalty for shoplifting. Even though nowhere did I say I would have voted for Trump or am in any way happy he was elected, and I don’t believe anyone else has. This thread was made by someone soliciting positive opinions on a person we - rightly - mainly hear negatives about, who has just been voted for by a majority in his country and so must hold appeal for most of them.

You are so attached to your narrative that anyone who could have a single positive to say about a Trump policy is a crazy screaming Trumper who would suck him off under his podium if he asked them that you can’t accept that a person could say a single positive about his position and also not have voted for him. Which is exactly why the Democrats lost - middle-of-the-road voters who have a more moderate stance on abortion, the transgender issue, and immigration, refused to vote for a candidate who joined her supporters in their contempt for anyone who would even consider voting Republican.

I wasn't talking about you specifically. It was a general comment about how hypocritical Trumpers are.

And the death penalty isn’t for antisocial behaviour. Much as I’m sure you’d love it to be. How ghoulish.

a link to referred document would be appreciated.
by the way, it is the type of language, like 'laughable', 'bullshit', drive more and more people to vote of the right wing.

Laughable.

On June 5 this year, US Senate Republicans blocked a bill that would have protected nationwide access to contraception, defined as any drug, device, or biological product designed to prevent pregnancy. The fundamentalist constituency that makes up part of the core of GOP support is determined to see an end to contraception.

The mitigation by self care argument is utter bullshit.

And FYI, hormonal contraception is prescribed to control a lot of conditions affecting women, including but not limited to cystic acne, and women of childbearing age can't be prescribed Accutane without also going on the Pill.

There are clear legal guidelines. If a foetal heartbeat is detected, any medical treatment that stops that heart beating is deemed to be abortion.

have you checked legal papers? what's your evidence about going after contraception? do they ban selling or making condom?

the medical conditions are covered in legal papers, but I think it will need clarify for doctors to be able to effectively carry out care duty. same as rapist victims - these will have to be specified.

all I'm saying is that yes it sucks, but comparing to other things need to be fixed, these risks can be mitigated largely be improving self-care behaviours, as well as demand on clear legal guidelines.

After 20 weeks a baby would need to be born anyway so it’s forcing the woman to birth a live baby vs forcing a woman to birth a dead baby. What does make me angry though is the lack of adoption and support for those who then have these unwanted babies. A lot of pro life sentiment can be very based on emotions and personal experience and privilege.

I follow one woman online who finally came out and said the reason she was against abortion is because she had one when she was younger and she was made to feel it was ‘nothing’ and ‘just tissue’ and deeply regrets it. She says lots of women have to live with it forever, as does she. In her defence, it annoys me when people go on about how it’s not a baby and it’s not a big. It obviously is a baby and it is a big deal. It’s a medical procedure and incredibly emotionally taxing. You are having to make that choice and it’s not ‘nice’ or easy, even if it’s necessary.

Aren’t your kids already in a war era?

😭I just hope my kids won't be in a war era. I don't care left right centre and who's who, just no war...

Agree that there's nothing we can do. Just thankful I don't live there, but I do live next door in Canada, and Trumpers have managed to export their craziness up here to some extent. They even funded and participated in a terrorist action on our capital. Hard to believe, isn't it? But it's the shocking truth.

having talked with some friends living in the US, their reasons are understandable. I'd just keep an open mind and wait and see what will happen. hope for the best, nothing we can do anyway.

It's a huge fallacy to presume there are always valid reasons for human behavior. Humans are irrational and often do things that are not even in their own interest, let alone the interest of society.

Fuck me… you don’t know how you feel about the death penalty for shoplifting? Sick.

I don’t think I can judge us situation than their voters. Given the level of defeat, there must be valid reasons, rather than a mere better campaign .

It is clearly not hypocritical. It’s like saying, can no one see the hypocrisy between refusing to smack a baby for crying for their nappy to be changed, but still putting a 5 year old on the naughty step. The death penalty is a consequence for anti-social behaviour that harms others. Abortion is the ending of a blameless, pre-born life at the behest of someone else. If you commit a crime punishable by death, you are yourself consenting to being executed.

I don’t know how I feel about the death penalty for shoplifting, but I think for things like murder, rape, child abuse, carjacking, burglary, it is something I am in support of. Deeply anti-social criminality will only be stamped out of the consequences are harsh and the perpetrators are never released to reoffend.