Women of MN - What do you like about Trump?

I know. It is an uncomfortable realisation...

It is an inevitable consequence. It is happening in the US. It happened in Ireland. I was in the situation a few years after abortion was legalised here where I was having a miscarriage, had sepsis and would die leaving my children without a mother. The 7 week fetus still had a heartbeat. If abortion was not legal I would have died. An abortion saved my life. Without it both me and the fetus would have died. My children would have been without a mother. I know I would have died because in the same hospital a few years previously before abortion was legal a woman in the same circumstances as me died. Abortion is healthcare. You cannot have robust healthcare for women without abortion.

He’s a piece of shit. Stop trying to normalise him.

That's what I had also understood @CitrineRaindropPhoenix

I'd understood that he was quite a fan of abortion himself, much like Boris Johnson. He just knows what plays well with his voters.

I like that he is anti-abortion

I'm puzzled by this. I've never heard him say he is anti abortion and in fact recently when someone tried to get him to explicitly say this he wouldn't be drawn.

So, you consider rape to be so heinous that you would be OK with the state killing someone for it, but you would still force the victim to have a baby that resulted from it, with all the mental trauma that is likely to cause? Right.

Bloody hell. Suddenly today’s result makes sense.

It is clearly not hypocritical. It’s like saying, can no one see the hypocrisy between refusing to smack a baby for crying for their nappy to be changed, but still putting a 5 year old on the naughty step. The death penalty is a consequence for anti-social behaviour that harms others. Abortion is the ending of a blameless, pre-born life at the behest of someone else. If you commit a crime punishable by death, you are yourself consenting to being executed.

I don’t know how I feel about the death penalty for shoplifting, but I think for things like murder, rape, child abuse, carjacking, burglary, it is something I am in support of. Deeply anti-social criminality will only be stamped out of the consequences are harsh and the perpetrators are never released to reoffend.

No, I’m obviously not okay with that, but I don’t see that that is an inevitable consequence of abortion not being available, as care for a naturally occurring miscarriage, or spontaneous abortion, is not the same as a medically induced abortion. Unfortunately there are no circumstances in which I can be okay with a baby being killed even where the mother’s life is in danger. If a woman will die or be seriously harmed if she remains pregnant, labour should be induced, the baby delivered, and given every chance to survive if past viability. If the baby was killed first, it would still need to be delivered, whether vaginally or by c-section.

As to your other points - I did already say I disagree with Trump. The post asked for what women like about him, so I listed everything that I see as a positive and then concluded I wouldn’t vote for him because his headlining economic policy is lunacy.

How can anyone not recognise the hypocrisy between banning abortions and shooting shop lifters and having the death penalty???

Strong answer @batt3nb3rg. Are you ok (hypothetically) with your daughter bleeding out in the parking lot of a medical centre, rather than HCPs deal with a miscarriage for fear of breaking the law?
Do you want to control anything else about your daughter's life and body?

Any thoughts on his other policies (taken from the Times (UK Ed):-
• Building a “state-of-the-art next-generation missile defence shield” for the US
• Introducing up to ten new “freedom cities” and an anti-woke university
• An energy policy he sums up as “drill, baby, drill”
• A central credentialling system for teachers to show they “embrace patriotic values”
• Military intervention to control domestic protests
• The shooting of shoplifters
• Cost-free IVF access for all
• The death penalty for drug dealers and child traffickers

I am in the UK, but pay a moderate amount of attention to events in the US/election.

The Harris campaign just appeared to be soundbites; maybe I missed the interviews where she talked about strategy?

It clearly isn't/wasn't Biden running the show for the past year or so, but it didn't appear to be Kamala either.

My memories of her early years in office was that the press trashed her and that she was increasingly sidelined.

The newspack tried to make the campaign all about abortion. I don't think that was top of most peoples' agenda. Women=adult human female on the other hand....

I like that he is anti-abortion, anti-immigration and anti-transgender. In theory I like his pro-small government claims but in practice I don’t think he followed through during his premiership. I like his proposed reduction in funding for the Department of Education as I am in support of homeschooling as a rule rather than an exception.

I disagree with his stance on healthcare entirely and think that his financial policies are demented. If I were American, I would not have voted for him due to these reasons and because of his sustained immorality, but I almost certainly wouldn’t have voted for Harris either, as prominently campaigning on the platform of “protecting your daughter's right to end the life of your grandchildren in the womb” is not something I can stomach morally. Though I think it’s more likely I would have impulsively voted for her at the booth despite my intentions than Trump.