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Dawn Butler racism just fine according to Labour

262 replies

Babadookinthewardrobe · 04/11/2024 08:44

Well, didn’t take long for labour ministers to show their real beliefs did it. According to Dawn Butler, Kemi Badenoch is “a white supremacist in blackface” (with apologies to all for re-typing her massively offensive words). According to the lovely KS this is all just fine, nothing to see here, move along.

One rule for labour, one rule for everybody else. Again. Last time it was failure to declare gifts. This time it is blatant racism. How hideous this government is and what rank hypocrites.

Dawn Butler must have the whip withdrawn otherwise I don’t want to hear one more word from this racist government.

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Queensguide · 04/11/2024 11:03

Babadookinthewardrobe · 04/11/2024 11:01

I’m happy to bring the debate to MN for now thanks @Queensguide - I’m still waiting to see if KS will show any leadership on the matter or whether he will continue to condone her remarks by his silence. If he continues to turn a blind eye to the bigotry of his own MP then I might raise it with my MP, we’ll see.

Why you seem to have a problem with me bringing the matter up on MN is a more interesting question…

No problem at all with you bringing it up on MN....but it will have no impact.
If you take it to your MP you might be part of the solution.

Dreamingofgoldfinchlane · 04/11/2024 11:01

Queensguide · 04/11/2024 10:57

Have you written to your MP or taken any action other than raging on here about the comment? You sound frantic about it and some positive action might be more helpful than repeating yourself on MN.

Of course we've written to our MP.

Queensguide · 04/11/2024 11:01

EasternStandard · 04/11/2024 11:00

The op doesn't sound 'frantic'. It's a pretty bad tweet, not sure if you felt it was ok

I have already engaged in reasonable debate on this thread and absolutely do not condone Butler's comment. "horrific, racist, offensive" sounds frantic.

Babadookinthewardrobe · 04/11/2024 11:01

I’m happy to bring the debate to MN for now thanks @Queensguide - I’m still waiting to see if KS will show any leadership on the matter or whether he will continue to condone her remarks by his silence. If he continues to turn a blind eye to the bigotry of his own MP then I might raise it with my MP, we’ll see.

Why you seem to have a problem with me bringing the matter up on MN is a more interesting question…

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username7891 · 04/11/2024 11:01

lifeturnsonadime · 04/11/2024 10:58

So it's a race to the bottom then?

This is so typical of die hard Labour supporters. Rather than own issues in their own camp they just point fingers.

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

EasternStandard · 04/11/2024 11:00

Queensguide · 04/11/2024 10:57

Have you written to your MP or taken any action other than raging on here about the comment? You sound frantic about it and some positive action might be more helpful than repeating yourself on MN.

The op doesn't sound 'frantic'. It's a pretty bad tweet, not sure if you felt it was ok

username7891 · 04/11/2024 10:59

Babadookinthewardrobe · 04/11/2024 10:53

But this thread is about Dawn Butler’s horrific, racist, offensive re-tweet @username7891. You could always start another thread if you want to discuss other people’s remarks, let’s not get distracted from Dawn’s public view.

If this thread is only about Butler, why are you talking about the Labour party being racist? Why are you talking about Labour leaders?

If you're going to talk about racism in political parties, expect to be challenged if you're a Tory. Am still waiting for your list of progressive Tory policies btw.

lifeturnsonadime · 04/11/2024 10:58

username7891 · 04/11/2024 10:51

People are saying that it's a bit rich to complain of racism given Johnson's highly offensive homophobic, misogynist, racist and Islamaphobic remarks.

So it's a race to the bottom then?

This is so typical of die hard Labour supporters. Rather than own issues in their own camp they just point fingers.

ruffler45 · 04/11/2024 10:58

She was probabaly trained at the Tony Blair school of politics...

Say it then then tell people that have misunderstood or misinterpreted what she said.

Queensguide · 04/11/2024 10:57

Babadookinthewardrobe · 04/11/2024 10:53

But this thread is about Dawn Butler’s horrific, racist, offensive re-tweet @username7891. You could always start another thread if you want to discuss other people’s remarks, let’s not get distracted from Dawn’s public view.

Have you written to your MP or taken any action other than raging on here about the comment? You sound frantic about it and some positive action might be more helpful than repeating yourself on MN.

KindQuail · 04/11/2024 10:57

username7891 · 04/11/2024 10:51

People are saying that it's a bit rich to complain of racism given Johnson's highly offensive homophobic, misogynist, racist and Islamaphobic remarks.

The bloke who hasn't been PM for 2 years and hasn't even been an MP for a year?

Is racism wrong or not?

Nordione1 · 04/11/2024 10:56

username7891 · 04/11/2024 10:51

People are saying that it's a bit rich to complain of racism given Johnson's highly offensive homophobic, misogynist, racist and Islamaphobic remarks.

Which people? Leftists who can't justify Dawn's comments so want to deflect attention on someone who left office years ago?
Or people who agree with Dawn's comments secretly?

Dreamingofgoldfinchlane · 04/11/2024 10:55

LizzieSiddal · 04/11/2024 10:31

Dawn Butler isn’t the sharpest tool in the box and her retweet was not advisable.

However as the Tory’s voted for a man who wrote and said many deeply racist comments, to be their leader, and then the country voted for him to be PM, I doubt most people will think Dawns comment is punishable.

Thousands of people are demanding her immediate resignation.

Babadookinthewardrobe · 04/11/2024 10:54

Boris Johnson’s remarks do not give an excuse for Dawn Butler’s remarks, in case you hadn’t realised.

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Babadookinthewardrobe · 04/11/2024 10:53

But this thread is about Dawn Butler’s horrific, racist, offensive re-tweet @username7891. You could always start another thread if you want to discuss other people’s remarks, let’s not get distracted from Dawn’s public view.

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username7891 · 04/11/2024 10:51

Nordione1 · 04/11/2024 10:48

This is the strangest post on this thread. So you are saying because Boris Johnson wrote something, the Labour Party can be as racist as they like going forward and no one should raise an eyebrow. Because the other boy did it too?

Good to see standards being raised by "the adults being back in the room"(ahem..)

People are saying that it's a bit rich to complain of racism given Johnson's highly offensive homophobic, misogynist, racist and Islamaphobic remarks.

skippy67 · 04/11/2024 10:49

Nordione1 · 04/11/2024 09:41

Oh her by a country mile. She's steeped in racism.

Ha!

Queensguide · 04/11/2024 10:48

Babadookinthewardrobe · 04/11/2024 10:41

Can I clarify I am not in the least suggesting that the majority of labour voters subscribe to Dawn Butler’s horrific view, not at all. But her retweet, and KS’s failure to address such an offensive message brings the government into disrepute.

The Labour party as a whole, and its leaders, have acknowledged Kemi's incredible achievement.
Starmer has been pretty quick to deal with Labour MPs who've behaved badly in the past. We'll have to see.

I hope that Kemi will be a force for good. We'll see.

Nordione1 · 04/11/2024 10:48

LizzieSiddal · 04/11/2024 10:31

Dawn Butler isn’t the sharpest tool in the box and her retweet was not advisable.

However as the Tory’s voted for a man who wrote and said many deeply racist comments, to be their leader, and then the country voted for him to be PM, I doubt most people will think Dawns comment is punishable.

This is the strangest post on this thread. So you are saying because Boris Johnson wrote something, the Labour Party can be as racist as they like going forward and no one should raise an eyebrow. Because the other boy did it too?

Good to see standards being raised by "the adults being back in the room"(ahem..)

Queensguide · 04/11/2024 10:42

Nordione1 · 04/11/2024 10:40

Well, she's wasnt in Government when she said it, is not in Government and won't be for 4.5 years so let's see what the current shower come up with. Probably something horrendous on current performance.

It's good to see you're so optimistic. We'll see.

Babadookinthewardrobe · 04/11/2024 10:41

Can I clarify I am not in the least suggesting that the majority of labour voters subscribe to Dawn Butler’s horrific view, not at all. But her retweet, and KS’s failure to address such an offensive message brings the government into disrepute.

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Nordione1 · 04/11/2024 10:40

Queensguide · 04/11/2024 10:38

Not so clear on maternity leave though.

Well, she's wasnt in Government when she said it, is not in Government and won't be for 4.5 years so let's see what the current shower come up with. Probably something horrendous on current performance.

Queensguide · 04/11/2024 10:38

Nordione1 · 04/11/2024 10:36

TBF Kemi does know what a woman is at least.

Not so clear on maternity leave though.

username7891 · 04/11/2024 10:37

Babadookinthewardrobe · 04/11/2024 10:26

Aah so you can’t explain it @username7891 Fair enough, it’s really baffling I agree. One might think labour are prejudiced, that’s one possible answer.

It's already been clearly explained to you regarding the amount of female MPs in the cabinet and party and those from ethnic minorities in the party. The evidence is there should you wish to look.

However, the best indicator of prejudice is policy. Could you be so kind as to tell me all the progressive policies introduced by the last Tory government? How have they helped women and other marginalised groups?

Badenoch is keeping her cards close to her chest in that regard. In fact, from what she's said about statutory rights, immigration, race and those with disabilities, she's not particularly progressive. How odd.

KindQuail · 04/11/2024 10:36

Queensguide · 04/11/2024 10:23

366,000 people are members of the Labour party.
Nearly 10 million people voted Labour at the last election.
There are lots of very good people amongst those groups and many Labour MPs devote their whole careers to working for their communities.

Angela Rayner has to have panic buttons in her family home (she's had death and rape threats) because of the kind of hatred directed towards politicians. This kind of division from either side is harmful to our democracy and gets us nowhere.

She had threats after she called the conservatives racist, homophobic, misogynistic scum and refused to apologise.

She initially refused to apologise then after she had received completely unacceptable threats, she 'reflected on her language' and said she had concerns about abuse featuring too often in political debate and apologised.

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