Dawn Butler racism just fine according to Labour

I haven't defended her tweet. I'm challenging the claim that the Tories aren't racist and are a progressive party.

It's very telling how the Tories' racism is suddenly in the past when they're pointing the finger at others.

Are you from the past?

You do realise Johnson hasn't been PM or leader of the conservatives for 2 years? and hasn't been an MP for over a year?

And have you realised Jenrick just lost the leadership of the conservative party to Olukemi Olufunto Adegoke Badenoch, a black woman of Nigerian immigrant parents born in the UK and raised in Nigeria and the US?

The woman that a Labour MP has just accused of being a white supremacist in black-face?

Because that's what this thread is about, but for some reason you keep going on about what Boris Johnson said years ago as a diversionary tactic from acknowledging the racist comment just made towards the black female Conservative leader by a current Labour MP.

And FWIW I am neither a Tory nor a Labour supporter, I voted Green in the last GE but i'm more than happy to call out the innappropriate and offensive, racist behaviour of both parties.

Something which you seem keen to defend so long as it's Labour doing it.

She's an absolutely appalling woman. But Labour have a problem. Since KS has been in charge he's already had to remove the whip from/suspend Diane Abbott, Apsana Begum, Rupa Huq and Zarah Sultana. Can anyone see an awkward pattern there?

I mean it's bad enough for Labour that the Tories, this allegedly increasingly 'far right' and 'racist' party according to many, have already had an Indian heritage Prime Minister and former Chancellor, 2 female Indian heritage Home Secretaries, 3 female prime ministers, a female of Nigerian heritage now leading the party and likely to be the next PM, plus a Chancellor of Pakistani heritage and one of Ghanaian heritage, plus James Cleverly and Nadim Zahawi.

Dawn Butler absolutely should be on that list of suspended MPs. It's not her first offence yet she's been let off the hook. Plenty of black and ethnic minority people in Labour (as well as several Guardian journalists and left wing bloggers) have used unforgiveable language about Kemi, as they previously did for Suella and Priti in particular, Kwasi K and others, in relation to their ethnicity apparently being out of line with their politics.

But frankly if KS suspended every ethnic minority MP who indulged in 'black and brown intra-communal language or forms of critique, satire or compliment (e.g. coconut, Uncle Tom, Aunt Kemi, house negro, choc ice etc.)' or said something anti-semitic, he'd risk having no ethnic minority MPs left.

If you're going to talk about how progressive the Tories are, then back it up with evidence. You've got 14 years of it so it shouldn't be difficult.

Let's move on though, what progressive policies is Badenoch suggesting? I've carefully followed her leadership campaign and only heard negative things about immigrants, different cultures, disabled children, belittling comments about women, excessive statutory rights and so on.

Are you from the past?

You do realise Johnson hasn't been PM or leader of the conservatives for 2 years? and hasn't been an MP for over a year?

And have you realised Jenrick just lost the leadership of the conservative party to Olukemi Olufunto Adegoke Badenoch, a black woman of Nigerian immigrant parents born in the UK and raised in Nigeria and the US?

The woman that a Labour MP has just accused of being a white supremacist in black-face?

Because that's what this thread is about, but for some reason you keep going on about what Boris Johnson said years ago as a diversionary tactic from acknowledging the racist comment just made towards the black female Conservative leader by a current Labour MP.

And FWIW I am neither a Tory nor a Labour supporter, I voted Green in the last GE but i'm more than happy to call out the innappropriate and offensive, racist behaviour of both parties.

Something which you seem keen to defend so long as it's Labour doing it.

If you're going to talk about how progressive the Tories are, then back it up with evidence. You've got 14 years of it so it shouldn't be difficult.

Let's move on though, what progressive policies is Badenoch suggesting? I've carefully followed her leadership campaign and only heard negative things about immigrants, different cultures, disabled children, belittling comments about women, excessive statutory rights and so on.

Farage doesn't have a black wife. This is the thread that keeps on giving.

I don't know why you are fixated on the previous government that has been voted out. Try and focus on the party that are actually in power.

I know why you are trying to deflect away from Labour by the way. Everyone does if they have been reading the news since July.

Panic buttons exist in the homes of a lot of MPs not just Labour ones so your point doesn’t quite work here. And a bit of irony for you? Nigel Farage has them and strong security due to serious threats etc and his wife is black (and that ain’t the reason he has them!).

You can evidently say whatever you like. But with a blatantly racist, very popular leader like Boris Johnson at your helm, don't pretend the Tories don't have a problem with race.

Wasn't Jenrick saying that colonised countries should be grateful to the UK in a discussion about the slave trade?

She's an absolutely appalling woman. But Labour have a problem. Since KS has been in charge he's already had to remove the whip from/suspend Diane Abbott, Apsana Begum, Rupa Huq and Zarah Sultana. Can anyone see an awkward pattern there?

I mean it's bad enough for Labour that the Tories, this allegedly increasingly 'far right' and 'racist' party according to many, have already had an Indian heritage Prime Minister and former Chancellor, 2 female Indian heritage Home Secretaries, 3 female prime ministers, a female of Nigerian heritage now leading the party and likely to be the next PM, plus a Chancellor of Pakistani heritage and one of Ghanaian heritage, plus James Cleverly and Nadim Zahawi.

Dawn Butler absolutely should be on that list of suspended MPs. It's not her first offence yet she's been let off the hook. Plenty of black and ethnic minority people in Labour (as well as several Guardian journalists and left wing bloggers) have used unforgiveable language about Kemi, as they previously did for Suella and Priti in particular, Kwasi K and others, in relation to their ethnicity apparently being out of line with their politics.

But frankly if KS suspended every ethnic minority MP who indulged in 'black and brown intra-communal language or forms of critique, satire or compliment (e.g. coconut, Uncle Tom, Aunt Kemi, house negro, choc ice etc.)' or said something anti-semitic, he'd risk having no ethnic minority MPs left.

Panic buttons exist in the homes of a lot of MPs not just Labour ones so your point doesn’t quite work here. And a bit of irony for you? Nigel Farage has them and strong security due to serious threats etc and his wife is black (and that ain’t the reason he has them!).

I don't know why you are fixated on the previous government that has been voted out. Try and focus on the party that are actually in power.

I know why you are trying to deflect away from Labour by the way. Everyone does if they have been reading the news since July.

The fact of the matter is, that there aren't any progressive policies because the Tories aren't a progressive party. Haven't all Tory MPs had a go at the leadership? There seems to be a new one every five minutes.

Walking the walk is having policies that benefit marginalised groups. Strangely enough under the progressive Tories, poor people got a lot poorer. Anyone would think you were trying to gaslight people.

366,000 people are members of the Labour party.
Nearly 10 million people voted Labour at the last election.
There are lots of very good people amongst those groups and many Labour MPs devote their whole careers to working for their communities.

Angela Rayner has to have panic buttons in her family home (she's had death and rape threats) because of the kind of hatred directed towards politicians. This kind of division from either side is harmful to our democracy and gets us nowhere.

I think people are just holding Labour up to Labour's own self-professed standards of being non-racsist and hugely progressive, and pointing out they talk the talk (a lot) but don't walk the walk. The leadership is an easy example

A list of policies won't help you assess things as it will be far too long. Also my view of a progressive policy will be different from yours. For example RR has put employers NI up. This will penalise workers that might work part time for childcare reasons and who might be the ones more easily let go or their hours reduced. I wonder who that will affect more...

Tbf re the RR comment, inheritance tax is on death. Why should farmers not pay when every other eligible person does when they die. I take no issue with that (im also from a farming family) if its going into our dire public services then I'm all for paying taxes correctly

The dawn butler one..be careful not to get drawn into daily mail soundbites. The comment was awful and shouldnt be said. However she didn't say it . If she had said it I would expect the party to act It was someone else's tweet which she liked

I read an interesting statement. Most adults on the right can understand the left because they started out there. Most adults on the left can't understand the right because they've never progressed past the politics of their youth.
I'm not being partisan here, just chimed with me.

It's just another example of the blindspot of many on the left. It's more than just rejecting others' beliefs - They simply can't comprehend how certain people have the beliefs they do.

I have openly criticised the tweet. RTFT.

Well TBF so is Boris Johnson.

Oh dear oh dear. If you've read my comments you know I do not condone her comments. I have been only constructive in my posts here.

Your passion is making you argue with someone who agrees with you.