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Dawn Butler racism just fine according to Labour

262 replies

Babadookinthewardrobe · 04/11/2024 08:44

Well, didn’t take long for labour ministers to show their real beliefs did it. According to Dawn Butler, Kemi Badenoch is “a white supremacist in blackface” (with apologies to all for re-typing her massively offensive words). According to the lovely KS this is all just fine, nothing to see here, move along.

One rule for labour, one rule for everybody else. Again. Last time it was failure to declare gifts. This time it is blatant racism. How hideous this government is and what rank hypocrites.

Dawn Butler must have the whip withdrawn otherwise I don’t want to hear one more word from this racist government.

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Nordione1 · 04/11/2024 13:16

JSMill · 04/11/2024 13:14

Did she actually say that? My god.

I feel like she's not long for the post. Keir will throw her under a bus like he did Sue Gray. RR will be a useful scapegoat when things start going down the pan.

EverythingAllatOnceAllTheTime · 04/11/2024 13:15

quantumbutterfly · 04/11/2024 13:03

If you think posts are derailing the thread there is a report option.

I quite like how threads range around topics, it's like taking a walk and admiring the view rather than racing to your destination.

I am cognisant of the rules but thanks anyway.

EasternStandard · 04/11/2024 13:15

username7891 · 04/11/2024 13:14

I'm sure the Whip will deal with it adequately.

What would you like to see happen?

Babadookinthewardrobe · 04/11/2024 13:15

He’ll have to face the subject of Dawn’s abuse in PMQ’s soon @EasternStandard - wonder if he might apologise to her then on behalf of his bigoted MP?

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username7891 · 04/11/2024 13:14

EasternStandard · 04/11/2024 13:12

I take it you're keen for Butler to remain and Cooper's statement is all you'd like to see?

I'm sure the Whip will deal with it adequately.

JSMill · 04/11/2024 13:14

Nordione1 · 04/11/2024 09:07

It's so revealing isn't it. I think people realise more and more that despite what the left think and say that they are, it is all fake. They are racist and they are the nasty party. Rachel Reeves will take a long time to live down "we can't afford to let farmers die tax-free" if she ever can. That's to an industry which has a high suicide rate anyway.

That party has no soul at the moment.

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Did she actually say that? My god.

EasternStandard · 04/11/2024 13:13

Babadookinthewardrobe · 04/11/2024 13:11

So do I @EasternStandard - won’t hold my breath though, KS is busily trying to sweep it under the carpet.

He also seems to be getting from the other angle as MPs are annoyed a black female leader has been successful for the conservatives and Labour are no where near that

He will be too lily livered to react to this

EasternStandard · 04/11/2024 13:12

username7891 · 04/11/2024 13:10

That's good to know.

I take it you're keen for Butler to remain and Cooper's statement is all you'd like to see?

Babadookinthewardrobe · 04/11/2024 13:11

So do I @EasternStandard - won’t hold my breath though, KS is busily trying to sweep it under the carpet.

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username7891 · 04/11/2024 13:10

EasternStandard · 04/11/2024 13:10

I look forward to the whip being removed, an investigation or suspension

Something other than that vague remark from Cooper

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That's good to know.

EasternStandard · 04/11/2024 13:10

username7891 · 04/11/2024 13:05

In response to this question, Cooper said:

As I said, I haven't seen the post and I think those sorts of issues around party issues, those are always ones for the Whip.

It appears that this is a decision for the Whip.

I look forward to the whip being removed, an investigation or suspension

Something other than that vague remark from Cooper

Nordione1 · 04/11/2024 13:08

LizzieSiddal · 04/11/2024 13:04

You clearly haven’t read my post correctly. Maybe try again.

I have reread it. You've referred to Boris Johnson for some reason and then said because he was elected PM, Dawn's comments aren't punishable.

If you are trying to make a general apolitical statement about the way the world is going, you should be clearer as, as you drafted it you are suggesting some comparison between Boris Johnson and Dawn (a racist).

username7891 · 04/11/2024 13:05

EasternStandard · 04/11/2024 13:00

Why hasn't any action been taken?

In response to this question, Cooper said:

As I said, I haven't seen the post and I think those sorts of issues around party issues, those are always ones for the Whip.

It appears that this is a decision for the Whip.

LizzieSiddal · 04/11/2024 13:04

Nordione1 · 04/11/2024 10:48

This is the strangest post on this thread. So you are saying because Boris Johnson wrote something, the Labour Party can be as racist as they like going forward and no one should raise an eyebrow. Because the other boy did it too?

Good to see standards being raised by "the adults being back in the room"(ahem..)

You clearly haven’t read my post correctly. Maybe try again.

quantumbutterfly · 04/11/2024 13:03

EverythingAllatOnceAllTheTime · 04/11/2024 13:00

There are a significant number of posters who NEVER start their own thread, preferring to subvert others.

Its really poor and MN needs to stamp it out.

If you think posts are derailing the thread there is a report option.

I quite like how threads range around topics, it's like taking a walk and admiring the view rather than racing to your destination.

Nordione1 · 04/11/2024 13:01

Gummybear23 · 04/11/2024 12:26

Kemi's portrayal seems designed to attract conservative, middle-to-upper-class voters. Her ethnic background adds a narrative of overcoming adversity, aligning with meritocratic ideals.

However, older traditional voters may resist supporting a black woman in leadership, and this strategy could alienate progressive groups seeking genuine representation while failing to fully win over more conservative audiences.

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Weird take. Are you a Conservative voter?

EverythingAllatOnceAllTheTime · 04/11/2024 13:00

Babadookinthewardrobe · 04/11/2024 12:11

Please please please can we talk about Dawn Butler. That is what I am banding on about. Dawn Butler MP.

This thread is about Dawn Butler. And her offensive tweet (for the avoidance of doubt).

There are a significant number of posters who NEVER start their own thread, preferring to subvert others.

Its really poor and MN needs to stamp it out.

EasternStandard · 04/11/2024 13:00

username7891 · 04/11/2024 12:57

You condemn racism or you don't.

That's exactly the point I'm making, you condemn racism or you don't irrespective of party politics.

Labour haven't condoned Butler's retweet. Yvette Cooper was very clear in her remarks.

I'm sure we can all agree that racism is unacceptable, no matter who says it.

Why hasn't any action been taken?

username7891 · 04/11/2024 12:57

KindQuail · 04/11/2024 12:46

What happened was for some reason, instead of outright condemning DB tweet comment, you said on the 1st page, you didn't know who was worse? her or BJ?which was a weird thing to do since he isn't even a a MP anymore, let alone the leader of the conservative party.

Then when people asked you why you were banging on about BJs comments from years ago as if they were relevant to the discussion, someone made a comment about how the Labour party were positioning themselves as non-racist and progressive in comparison to the conservative party, which wouldn't align with them supporting this extremely offensive racist comment, you then started demanding evidence of the Tories progressive policies and evidence of them not being racist.

You've deflected from your first post and are making up your own narrative of the thread.

We can all see your posts and see YOU. Stop deflecting and making things up as you go along.

You are NOT condemning racism if you also say..but this other bloke from the Tories said this years ago so..people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones which is an exact quote from one of your posts.

You condemn racism or you don't.

You condemn racism or you don't.

That's exactly the point I'm making, you condemn racism or you don't irrespective of party politics.

Labour haven't condoned Butler's retweet. Yvette Cooper was very clear in her remarks.

I'm sure we can all agree that racism is unacceptable, no matter who says it.

KindQuail · 04/11/2024 12:46

username7891 · 04/11/2024 11:52

I haven't defended her tweet. I'm challenging the claim that the Tories aren't racist and are a progressive party.

It's very telling how the Tories' racism is suddenly in the past when they're pointing the finger at others.

What happened was for some reason, instead of outright condemning DB tweet comment, you said on the 1st page, you didn't know who was worse? her or BJ?which was a weird thing to do since he isn't even a a MP anymore, let alone the leader of the conservative party.

Then when people asked you why you were banging on about BJs comments from years ago as if they were relevant to the discussion, someone made a comment about how the Labour party were positioning themselves as non-racist and progressive in comparison to the conservative party, which wouldn't align with them supporting this extremely offensive racist comment, you then started demanding evidence of the Tories progressive policies and evidence of them not being racist.

You've deflected from your first post and are making up your own narrative of the thread.

We can all see your posts and see YOU. Stop deflecting and making things up as you go along.

You are NOT condemning racism if you also say..but this other bloke from the Tories said this years ago so..people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones which is an exact quote from one of your posts.

You condemn racism or you don't.

Gummybear23 · 04/11/2024 12:26

Nordione1 · 04/11/2024 11:59

Who do you think she is trying to attract by this and why do you think her ethnic origin is relevant to those people.

Kemi's portrayal seems designed to attract conservative, middle-to-upper-class voters. Her ethnic background adds a narrative of overcoming adversity, aligning with meritocratic ideals.

However, older traditional voters may resist supporting a black woman in leadership, and this strategy could alienate progressive groups seeking genuine representation while failing to fully win over more conservative audiences.

quantumbutterfly · 04/11/2024 12:24

TheNuthatch · 04/11/2024 12:18

Do you eat food?
Perhaps you'd prefer it if the farmers would commit suicide a bit faster?

If people had to produce & process their own food rather than toddling off to a supermarket they might have a different perspective.

username7891 · 04/11/2024 12:20

Babadookinthewardrobe · 04/11/2024 12:17

Clarification for you above @username7891

I'm simply responding to your posts, like I said.

Nordione1 · 04/11/2024 12:19

TheNuthatch · 04/11/2024 12:18

Do you eat food?
Perhaps you'd prefer it if the farmers would commit suicide a bit faster?

I hope it's just a lack of knowledge on her part that makes her say that. Hopefully she will be able to read up on the issue now.

TheNuthatch · 04/11/2024 12:18

leli · 04/11/2024 12:05

Is it awful though? Why should farmers die tax free. No-one else does.

Do you eat food?
Perhaps you'd prefer it if the farmers would commit suicide a bit faster?