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Dawn Butler racism just fine according to Labour

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Babadookinthewardrobe · 04/11/2024 08:44

Well, didn’t take long for labour ministers to show their real beliefs did it. According to Dawn Butler, Kemi Badenoch is “a white supremacist in blackface” (with apologies to all for re-typing her massively offensive words). According to the lovely KS this is all just fine, nothing to see here, move along.

One rule for labour, one rule for everybody else. Again. Last time it was failure to declare gifts. This time it is blatant racism. How hideous this government is and what rank hypocrites.

Dawn Butler must have the whip withdrawn otherwise I don’t want to hear one more word from this racist government.

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LizzieSiddal · 05/11/2024 21:27

Babadookinthewardrobe · 05/11/2024 08:33

We can all see who the “nasty” party is in this offensive spat, and it’s certainly not the conservatives. How times have changed.

I was just thinking about Robert Jenerik tonight, you know the Justice Minister who demanded a Micky mouse murial, at a migrant centre for children was painted over because it was too “welcoming”
For nastiness the Tory’s are on 100 and Labour on about 3, so they have lots of catching up to do in that department.

Babadookinthewardrobe · 05/11/2024 08:33

We can all see who the “nasty” party is in this offensive spat, and it’s certainly not the conservatives. How times have changed.

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Babadookinthewardrobe · 05/11/2024 08:18

User37482 · 05/11/2024 05:02

This, it’s trying to shame ethnic minority people into conforming. I don’t understand why people can’t see the simple fact that it enforces the narrative that ethnic minority people are a bloc. We are not.

It isn’t using valid arguments about principles it’s saying people are basically race traitors to shame them into towing a line that they don’t actually believe in. It’s lazy and stupid. Play the ball not the man.

Thank you for your posts, particularly the above on trying to shame ethnic minority people into conforming and playing the ball not the man, or woman on this occasion.

I couldn’t agree more, it absolutely stinks. Still no action from the labour party leadership so Dawn’s tweets still a-ok with them. Shameful.

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HotPipe · 05/11/2024 08:14

I liked Kemi's response of I don't see skin colour. This is how we should be and judge the person, not the colour of their skin.

Dawn Butler's 'like and retweet' is racist and offensive. I am surprised people defend her especially Sir Keir Starmer.

User37482 · 05/11/2024 05:04

Dappy777 · 04/11/2024 14:34

In general, I find left-wing people far nastier than moderate conservatives. Frankie Boyle is a good example. He has said the most horrific things over the years. He made tasteless jokes about Jade Goody, for example. There are lines you don’t cross in life, and that was one of them. When a young woman, with small children, dies of cancer, you don’t joke about it. You just don’t. He also made vile jokes about Saddam Hussein’s execution. Hussain was a wicked man, but you don’t laugh at someone being hung. I don’t believe Boyle cares about the poor one tiny bit. He seems motivated entirely by hatred. And like so many left-wing people, he is destructive. A lot of lefties never grow out of the adolescent rebel stage. You know, the desire to smash things just to get a reaction. But like so many left-wing people, Boyle uses his politics as a kind of mask or shield. “I’m left-wing, which means I’m a goodie, which means my nastiness doesn’t count”. I get the same vibe off Russell Brand. “OK, I might be a serial abuser, but I wrote a book calling for left-wing revolution, so I can’t be a bad man.” To be left-wing means to be good, end of story. Time and again I’m struck by the similarities between left-wing people and religious fundamentalists.

Moral license, people who declare themselves to have what they perceive as virtuous behaviours (in this case voting) allow themselves to be vile and still think they are good people because they are on the “right” side.

User37482 · 05/11/2024 05:02

TwigletsAndRadishes · 04/11/2024 11:15

She's an absolutely appalling woman. But Labour have a problem. Since KS has been in charge he's already had to remove the whip from/suspend Diane Abbott, Apsana Begum, Rupa Huq and Zarah Sultana. Can anyone see an awkward pattern there?

I mean it's bad enough for Labour that the Tories, this allegedly increasingly 'far right' and 'racist' party according to many, have already had an Indian heritage Prime Minister and former Chancellor, 2 female Indian heritage Home Secretaries, 3 female prime ministers, a female of Nigerian heritage now leading the party and likely to be the next PM, plus a Chancellor of Pakistani heritage and one of Ghanaian heritage, plus James Cleverly and Nadim Zahawi.

Dawn Butler absolutely should be on that list of suspended MPs. It's not her first offence yet she's been let off the hook. Plenty of black and ethnic minority people in Labour (as well as several Guardian journalists and left wing bloggers) have used unforgiveable language about Kemi, as they previously did for Suella and Priti in particular, Kwasi K and others, in relation to their ethnicity apparently being out of line with their politics.

But frankly if KS suspended every ethnic minority MP who indulged in 'black and brown intra-communal language or forms of critique, satire or compliment (e.g. coconut, Uncle Tom, Aunt Kemi, house negro, choc ice etc.)' or said something anti-semitic, he'd risk having no ethnic minority MPs left.

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This, it’s trying to shame ethnic minority people into conforming. I don’t understand why people can’t see the simple fact that it enforces the narrative that ethnic minority people are a bloc. We are not.

It isn’t using valid arguments about principles it’s saying people are basically race traitors to shame them into towing a line that they don’t actually believe in. It’s lazy and stupid. Play the ball not the man.

User37482 · 05/11/2024 04:52

Oh yes, had the same I’m centre right generally. Had a discussion on another thread about why it’s ok for ethnic minority people to have opinions on immigration. I wish people would just get it over and done with and call me a race traitor or a coconut like they seem to really want to.

porridgecake · 05/11/2024 02:19

As soon as brexit happened we should have had a huge drive to invest in and support farming so we could produce as much food as humanly possible. During WW2 we would have starved if the country hadn't got cracking with food production. How on earth are we going to cope when we have to import most of our food? Not to mention the carbon footprint of all those food miles. We think food is expensive now? It will get a lot worse.

GCAcademic · 05/11/2024 01:43

leli · 04/11/2024 19:07

I am not an idiot thank you very much. I understand the issues. I repeat - I do not see why farmers should have a special right to inherit without paying tax. Yes, maybe they will have to sell their farms just as wealthy people have always had to do and middle class people with their estates too.

What do you think happens when those farms are sold? I live in a rural area and every single farm that has been sold near me in the twenty years I've lived here is now no longer a farm. There is no profit in farming and sentiment is pretty much the only thing that keeps farming families going. The farms for sale around here get parcelled up and are bought by horse people. So none of that land is used for food production now.

If you bother to think about our food security, it's genuinely terrifying. We are so vulnerable as a nation. I don't think keeping horses should be a permitted use of agricultural land, but that's probably by-the-by, since there certainly aren't people willing to buy up farms and go into farming as a career.

Nordione1 · 04/11/2024 22:24

leli · 04/11/2024 19:07

I am not an idiot thank you very much. I understand the issues. I repeat - I do not see why farmers should have a special right to inherit without paying tax. Yes, maybe they will have to sell their farms just as wealthy people have always had to do and middle class people with their estates too.

This is actually one of those issues where the downsides are so obvious it really isn't an arguable point.

TheNuthatch · 04/11/2024 21:27

ByMerryKoala · 04/11/2024 20:42

Dawn Butler does seem to have the most extraordinary amount of leeway to say the most dreadful things about MPs without any consequence.

Why though?
I genuinely don't understand why this is seen as ok. An elected MP has retweeeted an abhorrent, racist comment about the leader of the opposition.

TheNuthatch · 04/11/2024 21:12

leli · 04/11/2024 19:07

I am not an idiot thank you very much. I understand the issues. I repeat - I do not see why farmers should have a special right to inherit without paying tax. Yes, maybe they will have to sell their farms just as wealthy people have always had to do and middle class people with their estates too.

Ok. In simple terms, if farmers have to sell their land they can no longer produce food. If we lose our farms, we lose our food. Our only option then would be to import all of our food. Is that what you would like to see happen? I prefer the UK to have food security personally.
Back to Dawn Butler!

ByMerryKoala · 04/11/2024 20:42

Dawn Butler does seem to have the most extraordinary amount of leeway to say the most dreadful things about MPs without any consequence.

leli · 04/11/2024 20:34

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Abuse does not win arguments.

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Babadookinthewardrobe · 04/11/2024 20:33

Is it alright for Dawn to say any old offensive crap as long as it’s Dawn saying it? So it would appear according to @NoCarbsForMe

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EasternStandard · 04/11/2024 20:32

NoCarbsForMe · 04/11/2024 20:05

Yeah right Dawn's racist 😂😂😂

Did you find the comment ok? Why?

Babadookinthewardrobe · 04/11/2024 20:30

NoCarbsForMe · 04/11/2024 20:05

Yeah right Dawn's racist 😂😂😂

Dawn Butler retweeted that Kemi Badenoch is a white supremacist in blackface. In what world is that not vile racism?

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NoCarbsForMe · 04/11/2024 20:07

Gummybear23 · 04/11/2024 17:37

I see Kemi has picked preti 'awful' patel.

Must have been difficult picking the talent.

Quell surprise! 😳

NoCarbsForMe · 04/11/2024 20:05

Yeah right Dawn's racist 😂😂😂

leli · 04/11/2024 19:07

Nordione1 · 04/11/2024 12:19

I hope it's just a lack of knowledge on her part that makes her say that. Hopefully she will be able to read up on the issue now.

I am not an idiot thank you very much. I understand the issues. I repeat - I do not see why farmers should have a special right to inherit without paying tax. Yes, maybe they will have to sell their farms just as wealthy people have always had to do and middle class people with their estates too.

Babadookinthewardrobe · 04/11/2024 18:47

ODFO and start your own thread @Gummybear23

Anyone heard any update from DB or KS on Dawn’s opinions? I’m not on X so might have missed Dawn’s gracious apology and commitment to learn from this.

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Gummybear23 · 04/11/2024 17:37

I see Kemi has picked preti 'awful' patel.

Must have been difficult picking the talent.

Icanthinkformyselfthanks · 04/11/2024 17:08

Queensguide · 04/11/2024 11:09

Has anyone on here condoned her tweet?

@Queensguide , yes there has been a rather racist in my opinion ‘reason’ as to why it was a quite acceptable thing for Ms Butler to say

Nordione1 · 04/11/2024 15:37

Queensguide · 04/11/2024 15:29

I hope you get what you want from this thread @Babadookinthewardrobe

TBF "distraught" and "frantic" do suggest an inability to think rationally and clearly and being over emotional. It's pretty cutting to describe someone else in those terms. Why don't you just acknowledge it and move on.