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Kemi Badenoch - pros and cons

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HonestPayforHonestWork · 03/11/2024 01:00

I was enjoying reading the thread about KB but it filled up. Quite a few calling her vile and her views abhorrent, but without much further explanation. For example, I’ve heard about her autism views however one poster said they were misrepresented. In what way? For those more politically tuned-in than me, what specifically do you like or dislike about her?

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CurlewKate · 07/11/2024 20:14

If I were a Tory I would be a little worried about her communication style-having to issue clarifications is not ideal. Being robust is not enough. She was unnecessarily churlish about Reeves too. And the McDonalds thing was dumb. But it's early days. Excellent hair, though!

BIossomtoes · 07/11/2024 19:54

TooBigForMyBoots · 07/11/2024 19:29

Is there a difference between strong communicator and clear communicator? Because she's not a clear communicator which I think is a weakness in communication.

I’m none too keen on small state, low taxes either. Particularly since we currently have the worst of both worlds - small state and high taxes.

TooBigForMyBoots · 07/11/2024 19:29

Is there a difference between strong communicator and clear communicator? Because she's not a clear communicator which I think is a weakness in communication.

ContactNightmare · 06/11/2024 14:55

Beekeepingmum · 06/11/2024 14:16

To be fair to her she hasn't had that long to prepare, and Rishi has just been asking questions like "what will be prime minister be having for tea?" so not a lot prep to step into.

Yes. It takes any opposition leader a while to find their mark. But foreign affairs is a loser - people don’t vote on it. The economy is the thing

TobyEsterhase · 06/11/2024 14:38

Pros

Down to earth
Worked in private sector
Strong communicator
Believes in small state and low taxes
Promotes individual responsibility rather than identity politics
Positive attitude to wealth creation

Cons

Lack of experience

Beekeepingmum · 06/11/2024 14:16

ContactNightmare · 06/11/2024 13:50

It was fairly a clear delivery. But the questions were not great and her briefing very shallow. Yes she is combative but I think the weakness is clear - without a strong briefing team and better questions, then it’s of little effect.

Starmer’s jibe about student politics landed. She also made an error in referring to the FTA with the US. That was something she failed to do herself.

i guess she needs to build her own support team and this will improve.

To be fair to her she hasn't had that long to prepare, and Rishi has just been asking questions like "what will be prime minister be having for tea?" so not a lot prep to step into.

ContactNightmare · 06/11/2024 13:50

It was fairly a clear delivery. But the questions were not great and her briefing very shallow. Yes she is combative but I think the weakness is clear - without a strong briefing team and better questions, then it’s of little effect.

Starmer’s jibe about student politics landed. She also made an error in referring to the FTA with the US. That was something she failed to do herself.

i guess she needs to build her own support team and this will improve.

EasternStandard · 06/11/2024 13:34

Beekeepingmum · 06/11/2024 13:32

I agree the delivery was confident but I said the content was poor. She accused the government of committing to the 2.5% defence spend (despite starmer confirming in the sentence before they were), and that there was no mention of defence in the budget when the 2.5% commitment and spending increase. Maybe she has taken lessons from the Johnson school of thought.

He can still answer a question without saying it's in the budget and jeering and all the carry on

It's up to him to answer not just defer

Beekeepingmum · 06/11/2024 13:32

twistyizzy · 06/11/2024 13:11

BBC political editor would disagree with you "punchy and confident"
Anyway beats robotic Starmer et al with their pre programmed 1 stock sentence answer to everything

I agree the delivery was confident but I said the content was poor. She accused the government of committing to the 2.5% defence spend (despite starmer confirming in the sentence before they were), and that there was no mention of defence in the budget when the 2.5% commitment and spending increase. Maybe she has taken lessons from the Johnson school of thought.

twistyizzy · 06/11/2024 13:11

Beekeepingmum · 06/11/2024 12:46

Really? She was just reading out the questions. She had prepped that he wouldn't confirm the defence spending then when he did she just read out the same response that he hadn't. Confident delivery but hopefully the content will improve with time.

BBC political editor would disagree with you "punchy and confident"
Anyway beats robotic Starmer et al with their pre programmed 1 stock sentence answer to everything

Beekeepingmum · 06/11/2024 12:46

twistyizzy · 06/11/2024 12:26

She is doing a great job for her first PMQ. Polar opposite from robotic Starmer/Reeves/Raynor/Phillipson.

Really? She was just reading out the questions. She had prepped that he wouldn't confirm the defence spending then when he did she just read out the same response that he hadn't. Confident delivery but hopefully the content will improve with time.

twistyizzy · 06/11/2024 12:26

She is doing a great job for her first PMQ. Polar opposite from robotic Starmer/Reeves/Raynor/Phillipson.

EasternStandard · 06/11/2024 12:22

makemeanoffericantrefuse · 06/11/2024 12:07

Making a brilliantly strong start on her first PMQs.

Great first day, not many can start that well

I had to turn him off, all that jeering, it's repulsive

Maybe he's feeling it after Trump won, or maybe he really is that myopic to think it doesn't matter

makemeanoffericantrefuse · 06/11/2024 12:07

Making a brilliantly strong start on her first PMQs.

iamtheblcksheep · 05/11/2024 18:38

JRSKSSBH · 03/11/2024 01:40

Well, the DT has reported that a Labour MP has called her “white supremacy in blackface” which strikes me as a disgustingly divisive things for anyone to say, let alone an MP.

I expect nothing less from the communists on the left

DiamondGoldandSilver · 05/11/2024 12:17

I was appalled by her comments on maternity pay and am appalled by her terrible shadow cabinet selections. However she has time to grow into the role and I hope she makes a great success of it (while drifting away from the right and towards the centre right).

ContactNightmare · 05/11/2024 12:12

It is a shallow pool. Chris Philp as Home Sec shadow!

HappiestSleeping · 05/11/2024 12:10

CurlewKate · 05/11/2024 12:01

@HappiestSleeping "I think she's only a caretaker leader until they regroup in the same way William Hague was. IDS and Michael Howard "

And the way Margaret Thatcher was-she just didn't follow the rules.....🤣

The Conservative party was in much better shape in those days though. It isn't comparable, and none of the candidates are especially capable of getting it back on its feet.

CurlewKate · 05/11/2024 12:01

@HappiestSleeping "I think she's only a caretaker leader until they regroup in the same way William Hague was. IDS and Michael Howard "

And the way Margaret Thatcher was-she just didn't follow the rules.....🤣

ContactNightmare · 05/11/2024 10:27

She may surprise us but what is left of the Conservatives is very right wing. It doesn’t suggest much of a template to move to the centre. When you look at her shadow cabinet it suggests more of the same

Goldenbear · 05/11/2024 10:22

Goldenbear · 05/11/2024 10:19

Absolutely this! I was at a family get together with my siblings in laws, so quite a few late 60s, early 70s, all residents of the south east and all previously Tory voters bar one and not one of them voted for the Conservatives in the last election. One has even become a paid up Lib dem member, all for the same reasons, the move from the centre to the right. These voters want to hear about public services and the economy not endless focus on 'the boats' or worse rowing back on climate change commitments.

Badenoch is Trump politics just a focus on the negative and pessimism.

Goldenbear · 05/11/2024 10:19

ExtraOnions · 04/11/2024 10:10

How many of us have worked with people with great degrees, but seemingly zero common sense… she falls into this bucket for me.

The Tories lost the election as they lost thier core moderate voters to the Lib Dem’s, and there overt right wing to Reform. I have no idea how they are supposed to reclaim their traditional voters.. but spouting a load of populist stuff won’t do it.

Absolutely this! I was at a family get together with my siblings in laws, so quite a few late 60s, early 70s, all residents of the south east and all previously Tory voters bar one and not one of them voted for the Conservatives in the last election. One has even become a paid up Lib dem member, all for the same reasons, the move from the centre to the right. These voters want to hear about public services and the economy not endless focus on 'the boats' or worse rowing back on climate change commitments.

TooBigForMyBoots · 05/11/2024 10:10

user1471453601 · 04/11/2024 21:38

Where to start with Badenoch.

Well, she said maternity pay was too much, then said she didn't say that, at all. Spoiler, she did.

She wrote a forward to a pamphlet that said that getting a diagnosis of autism was a golden ticket to benefits.

She also said 5/10% of civil servants are so bad they should be in jail. She said it was a joke. Hmm.

Some says she can start an argument in an empty room. Some may think that's a positive. I'd say what we need right now is more cohesion not less.

As ever, you make your choice, but you also pay the price.

Yep. She keeps disagreeing with herself. She's is the gift that keeps on giving.Grin

CroftonWillow · 05/11/2024 10:06

TeenagersAngst · 03/11/2024 20:16

I would love to see anyone on Mumsnet go up against her in a debate. She'd wipe the floor with you. You may disagree with her politics but to call her a lightweight is ludicrous. She's honest, direct and intelligent.

I quite like her but she is a lightweight in national terms. The comparisons with Thatcher are ridiculous, people forget (or are not aware) just how quick witted and persuasive she was and the power with which she spoke.

Babadookinthewardrobe · 05/11/2024 09:55

Simply by being elected Badnoch has exposed the racist views of some labour ministers and supporters who are outraged that a black woman has the temerity not to hold the views they demand she should. Not a peep from the labour leadership about their minister’s racism.

So there’s that…

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