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How dumb are Labour

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ohdelay · 23/10/2024 10:47

Just seen this and I swear they keep forgetting they won the election and are in power now
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62m2pde4p6o

The constant gaffes and sixth form debate club politics are very embarrassing. I was ready for change, but fucking hell.

Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer speaking in front of a small crowd

Labour volunteers in US helping Harris 'in spare time', Keir Starmer says

The prime minister said volunteers from his party travelled to the US for "pretty much every" presidential election.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62m2pde4p6o

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ohdelay · 24/10/2024 12:34

cardibach · 24/10/2024 11:36

Just an illustration of how this ‘we’ business can work.
I volunteer for. dogs’Home, walking dogs, fundraising, raising awareness of the home at events, including taking dogs to music gigs. Recently a member of staff at the home sent out a message saying ‘we have 3 places for people to take dogs to meet Beverley Knight before her gig’. Nobidy paid anyone anything. Beverley Knight took the time unpaid. The volunteers weren’t paid. They took dogs in their own cars, and paid parking, with no travel expenses.
That’s what ‘we’ means in the post you are so concerned about. Someone working for the Labour Party - not the Parliamentary Party, the party at large - has organised a trip for any volunteers who want to pay their own expenses and go. It’s perfectly legal. It’s also perfectly normal, and happens at every election, as others have pointed out.

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That analogy wouldn't work unless you posted from your Linkedin which had your current job title on it and still used the "we". The assumption would be you were speaking on behalf of your current employment in your title, rather than your dog charity that didn't get a mention. Also the LabourforKamala under your title of Head of Operations for the Labour Party ...

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cardibach · 24/10/2024 11:36

ohdelay · 23/10/2024 15:26

I don't actually care about the US election, I'm more concerned about our government bungling on the international stage. The Labour party needs to focus on the UK, they are the government now and everything they do and say is under scrutiny. There is no reason or excuse for our government or our government officials to be involved or interfere in the election process of another country. They could get away with it in opposition (not really, but no one cared), but please realise they are the government now and it is not on. The Head of Operations for the Labour Party (currently in government) should not have posted that and it is just one more thing that makes me realise they haven't switched from protest party to government mode. Just be professional and I'll have no issues. Also I reckon the Labour party are paying for their volunteers, there was a "we" in the post.

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Just an illustration of how this ‘we’ business can work.
I volunteer for. dogs’Home, walking dogs, fundraising, raising awareness of the home at events, including taking dogs to music gigs. Recently a member of staff at the home sent out a message saying ‘we have 3 places for people to take dogs to meet Beverley Knight before her gig’. Nobidy paid anyone anything. Beverley Knight took the time unpaid. The volunteers weren’t paid. They took dogs in their own cars, and paid parking, with no travel expenses.
That’s what ‘we’ means in the post you are so concerned about. Someone working for the Labour Party - not the Parliamentary Party, the party at large - has organised a trip for any volunteers who want to pay their own expenses and go. It’s perfectly legal. It’s also perfectly normal, and happens at every election, as others have pointed out.

mm81736 · 24/10/2024 08:43

You are the dumb one op, or naive at least.It is not at all uncommon, and many UK politicians of all political colours have done this before.

DuncinToffee · 24/10/2024 08:33

Labour volunteers is non story,

this however is a story

Several senior Conservative politicians in the UK, including Liz Truss and Boris Johnson are supporting Trump and/or saying he won’t withdraw from NATO/stop supporting Ukraine.

John Bolton, Trump’s own former National Security adviser, disagrees.

“I think it’s very likely Trump will withdraw from Nato. I think this would be a catastrophic mistake for the United States”

Former US National Security Advisor John Bolton says Donald Trump doesn’t understand “how alliances function”

https://x.com/BBCHARDtalk/status/1849076455214350518

MushMonster · 24/10/2024 06:49

Well.. I think both Trump and yourself are throwing the toys out of the pram.
It is not Starmer and his cabinet themselves who have gone over there to campaign for Kamala. And it is allowed, plus it has been done before, plus the tories have been going over to support Trump for a while now, so?
This is beyond ridiculous! You are the one in need of a politics lesson.....

Plus, we are not begging for anything.

MNISLW · 24/10/2024 06:27

Donald Trump has overtaken Kamala Harris as the candidate Americans trust with the economy, according to a new Financial Times poll that underlines the Democratic party’s struggle to convince voters they are better off now than they were four years ago.

Notonthestairs · 23/10/2024 21:49

'Still with the parties' because laws & regulations should be applied equally.

I didn't vote Labour.

As far as I am aware I'm still entitled to have a view.

BIossomtoes · 23/10/2024 21:49

ohdelay · 23/10/2024 21:47

Still with the parties. Labour won, it comes with extra responsibilities. Maybe there should be some training.

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Maybe someone should have told the Tories.

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ohdelay · 23/10/2024 21:47

Notonthestairs · 23/10/2024 21:44

If you are interested in higher standards then I'd assume you'd want that from all participating parties.

Still with the parties. Labour won, it comes with extra responsibilities. Maybe there should be some training.

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Notonthestairs · 23/10/2024 21:44

If you are interested in higher standards then I'd assume you'd want that from all participating parties.

Rummly · 23/10/2024 21:42

BIossomtoes · 23/10/2024 21:41

Because Farage is an MP and leader of his party. What’s sauce for the goose and all that.

I hope I never have to pray the conduct of Farage in aid of anything I support.

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ohdelay · 23/10/2024 21:42

Notonthestairs · 23/10/2024 21:37

Certainly if the scrutiny is applied equally.
Otherwise it might look quite partisan and we don't want that.

I understand the disconnect now, I'm not being partisan. I believe a higher standard is needed for the people in actual power. I don't support any particular political party and if you check I'm never usually on this board

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BIossomtoes · 23/10/2024 21:41

Because Farage is an MP and leader of his party. What’s sauce for the goose and all that.

Rummly · 23/10/2024 21:40

BIossomtoes · 23/10/2024 21:33

I thought volunteer canvassers were being hosted by Democrat party members. Americans can be very hospitable.

I can easily believe that 100 Dem activists would clear out the spare room or make up the sofa.

TBH I think the fact that it’s all co-ordinated by a senior Labour official under the heading labourforkamala is more suspicious as to whether this has formal Labour Party backing, even if not financial.

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ohdelay · 23/10/2024 21:40

Notonthestairs · 23/10/2024 21:30

Well that would have required journalists to have been interested enough to ask that question when it was happening wouldn't it?

Buckland is still a member of the Conservative Party as is Truss.

Once again if they attend in their own time and are not paid for they can volunteer.

Farage is of course an MP and party leader and was paid for by a donor based in Thailand - but nobody applies any rules to him.

Why keep bringing up Farage? He is as relevant as whatever foreign campaign the Greens are supporting. The person organising the campaign is the current serving Head of Operations for the Labour Party who are the sitting government of the UK.

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Notonthestairs · 23/10/2024 21:37

Certainly if the scrutiny is applied equally.
Otherwise it might look quite partisan and we don't want that.

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ohdelay · 23/10/2024 21:36

Notonthestairs · 23/10/2024 21:31

That doesn't prove Labour paid for accommodation. I know you think it does, but it doesn't.

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Guess we'll find out exactly how much involvement the labour party have in this venture now there is more scrutiny. Which is a good thing, no?

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BIossomtoes · 23/10/2024 21:33

I thought volunteer canvassers were being hosted by Democrat party members. Americans can be very hospitable.

Notonthestairs · 23/10/2024 21:31

ohdelay · 23/10/2024 21:28

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That doesn't prove Labour paid for accommodation. I know you think it does, but it doesn't.

Notonthestairs · 23/10/2024 21:30

Well that would have required journalists to have been interested enough to ask that question when it was happening wouldn't it?

Buckland is still a member of the Conservative Party as is Truss.

Once again if they attend in their own time and are not paid for they can volunteer.

Farage is of course an MP and party leader and was paid for by a donor based in Thailand - but nobody applies any rules to him.

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ohdelay · 23/10/2024 21:28

The missing image

How dumb are Labour
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ohdelay · 23/10/2024 21:25

Notonthestairs · 23/10/2024 21:09

Conservative Party activists are understood to be in the US helping Trump’s campaign. And Trump has publicly been helped frequently by Nigel Farage, the Reform MP who has spent time in America campaigning for his friend.
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/labour-us-election-rules-volunteers-k6p3pwzqz

British political activists have long travelled to the U.S. ahead of elections, with those from the centre-left Labour Party typically supporting the Democrats, its sister party, and Conservatives and the right-wing Reform backing the Republicans.
https://www.reuters.com/world/trump-campaign-accuses-uks-labour-party-election-interference-2024-10-23/

Volunteers from both Labour and the Conservative Party have assisted in many previous U.S. elections.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/10/23/trump-election-complaint-uk-labour-party/

That's not what I was after, I was after something more like this:

Other than Liz Truss (who's not an MP any more), there's a distinct lack of who from the Conservative Party. I don't mean activists, I mean officials linking their party with a campaign to electioneer in another country.
The ConservativesForTrump equivalent of the post above.

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Notonthestairs · 23/10/2024 21:09

Conservative Party activists are understood to be in the US helping Trump’s campaign. And Trump has publicly been helped frequently by Nigel Farage, the Reform MP who has spent time in America campaigning for his friend.
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/labour-us-election-rules-volunteers-k6p3pwzqz

British political activists have long travelled to the U.S. ahead of elections, with those from the centre-left Labour Party typically supporting the Democrats, its sister party, and Conservatives and the right-wing Reform backing the Republicans.
https://www.reuters.com/world/trump-campaign-accuses-uks-labour-party-election-interference-2024-10-23/

Volunteers from both Labour and the Conservative Party have assisted in many previous U.S. elections.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/10/23/trump-election-complaint-uk-labour-party/

Has Labour broken US election rules over volunteer campaigners?

Keir Starmer seeks to play down the row but it threatens to derail his relationship with Donald Trump should the Republican win the US presidential election

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/labour-us-election-rules-volunteers-k6p3pwzqz

Notonthestairs · 23/10/2024 21:07

"I've done some searching myself now and can't find anything of the sort but you have repeated that the same has happened with the Conservatives multiple times. Can you (or anyone else) show me where this took place."

Don’t ask me the source again - I don’t make up quotes.
Believe its veracity or don’t.

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