How dumb are Labour

At the moment it’s speculation about Labour too…
Ive pointed you to this on another thread, but some posters here might be interested.

From a Starmer press release:
“If people want to criticise the path we choose, that’s their prerogative. But let them then spell out a different direction. If they think the state has grown too big, let them tell working people which public services they would cut. If they don’t see our long-term investment in infrastructure as necessary, let them explain to working people how they would grow the economy for them."
www.gov.uk/government/news/pm-governments-first-budget-will-invest-in-britains-future

I would have voted for the LibDems for local reasons.

Voting Labour was a massive mistake.

So as a genuine question if you had your time again who would you have voted for?

The main argument for people voting Labour was "well they can't be any worse than the current Conservative Government " - well the jury is still out on that one imo.

The Conservatives had a series of car crashes from Brexit, to Johnson then a bit of normality under Theresa May, then Liz Truss who was not only the shortest time as PM but probably the worst and finishing up with Sunak who meant well but too much damage had been caused, too much confidence lost and had too little time to fix it.

The Lib Dems only policy seemed to be we are not the Tories or Labour and have been completely silent since.

Reform is a protest group and not a serious political party.

Ditto for the Greens.

Spot on. And Sunak was promising tax cuts knowing full well that no government would be able to do that.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8005jp0g71o

A starter for you:

https://ifs.org.uk/articles/public-finances-and-2024-general-election

https://ifs.org.uk/articles/tough-questions-will-face-election-winners

If you are able to find credible sources, and have sufficient knowledge, and the ability to debate in good faith, I would be more than happy to.

I struggle to take seriously those who simply post links or regurgitate context without an understanding, but I don’t believe thats applicable to you.

@AlbionLass the expected revenue from taxes was not sufficient to meet the outgoings to which the government was committed.

Would you like me to find some sources to confirm the situation?

Pure spéculation.

Whilst we won’t need to wait long for Labours true
intentions.

Both main parties engaged in a conspiracy of silence over the state of the public finances. The Conservatives decision to cut NI, which they quite reasonably put up to pay for Social Care, flew in the face of logic.

If Sunak had won there would have had to be either tax increases, cuts or both.

It is depressing. Worse still the massive cover re tax rises pre GE and now ramping up doom and pain talk

Pre GE any suggestion taxes would be hiked was lambasted

Now it’s statements on that. Falsehoods and dishonesty

I feel utterly betrayed by Labour - I voted for them and now bitterly regret it. I was simply disenfranchised with the Tories, as I suspect many voters were.

I’m genuinely perplexed by this.

Your first post about me simply missed the point entirely: I said that Labour was hypocritical, not posters. After I was challenged on that I posted the links that demonstrated (partly) Labour’s rank hypocrisy.

I don’t recall anything about Tory media lickspittles until the odd comment above. I can’t see how that could be relevant anyway.

Any sharp words from me have been because I was responding to attacks on me.

Of course you’ve no need to reply to me on any thread. I don’t expect it. I just pointed out that Labour is leaking and briefing about the budget, and much else. It’s hardly contentious.

Quite. And to be fair @Rummly you've tried accusing that poster of quite a range of things. My initial reference was to your use of the word hypocrisy but you've added to it. You can hardly point the finger at anyone for being rude now!

But it's because of your non sequiturs that I'm not bothering to respond on another thread.

Eh?

Was describing the behaviour of Tory politicos and their lickspittles in the media an insult?

The poster I was replying to had said to me:

Certain degree of naïveté there I think. It would be hilarious if not so sad. Like toddlers stamping their feet, ‘we demand improvement NOW’. How many chances did you people give the tories ? Year after year.

So I was called naive, sad and a toddler.

I just said “Leaving aside your juvenile insults…”

In what way is that rude or unjustified?

Really? So you must accept you're being rude too then? Or you're really being obtuse!

The response to covid was a bail out we didn’t want, any more than Brown wanted to print money because of US banks’ recklessness.

And if austerity is on principle bad, why is Labour - apparently - going to do the same? If they turn on the public spending taps, fine, so far as it goes. But if they don’t, why aren’t they killing loads of people?

But it wasn’t. Labour wasn’t profligate unless you count bailing out the banks in the aftermath of a global financial crisis that began in the US. Nor was austerity successful unless you categorise 190,000 excess deaths as success. It’s been described as the most destructive policy in modern British history.

https://www.lse.ac.uk/News/Latest-news-from-LSE/2024/f-June-2024/Austerity-spending-cuts-cost-average-person-nearly-half-year-in-life-expectancy

https://tribunemag.co.uk/2023/04/how-austerity-ruined-britain

Ooh, great edit. 🙄

Yeah obv. 🙄 Got me. So ageist and a snob. Wow.

So you’re just a spittley ranter?

Old. Mid 50s so f**k that. Just not a bloody hypocrite with my ‘rels in the Yorkshire coal fields’. 40 years too late 😂

Oh FFS.

Young.

Don’t give a monkeys whether you have family in south Yorks. Big deal 🤷🏻‍♂️
Catch up, Thatcher closed all those coal fields without replacing them with any other form of industry. Blame her and the rest of the slimy tories for allowing half the country to fester.
I didn’t slink off down south btw. Never been to Sussex in my life.
Still think the Tories are better well you’re the hypocrite. Citing your Yorkshire family when the lot you support never gave a crap about up here and were happy to funnel money to Tunbridge wells. Plastic northerner 😂