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Reeve an unstoppable force or a puppet?

118 replies

justasking111 · 13/10/2024 13:20

I honestly can't decide if she's ploughing her own furrow regardless of the views of other MPs, Starmer can't interfere because of other turmoil.

Or whether Starmer is settling her up for a fall.

It's really perplexing.

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DuncinToffee · 15/10/2024 11:06

Alltheprettyseahorses · 15/10/2024 10:37

No one wants any government to fail*. Labour has failed though and it's right and fair to analyse it.

*unless it's the government certain 'progressives' didn't vote for

Labour has failed though

In 100 days, how?

Reeves' government has just secured 63bn investment and 38,000 jobs for the UK

Alltheprettyseahorses · 15/10/2024 10:37

BIossomtoes · 15/10/2024 09:31

Interviewed for a job at Goldman Sachs which she turned down. People who have done that must form a very small club.

I can’t believe how much some people actively want this government to fail. Why?

No one wants any government to fail*. Labour has failed though and it's right and fair to analyse it.

*unless it's the government certain 'progressives' didn't vote for

EasternStandard · 15/10/2024 10:01

TizerorFizz · 15/10/2024 09:41

The government will do it all by themselves. They always do. What idiot turns down a job with Goldman Sachs? If that is true of course. She might have been offered nothing as we have no proof. She might know more if she had worked for them and possibly more able to understand business without the veil of political dogma and lies.

Tbf it seems to be all over the shop anyway.

Look at interviewed for graduate programme turning into ’headhunted by Goldman Sachs’, not sure how that falsehood took hold

TizerorFizz · 15/10/2024 09:57

I would hope GS don’t care one bit. Probably so glad she didn’t come to them. Also their recruits have numerous interviews!

BIossomtoes · 15/10/2024 09:51

TizerorFizz · 15/10/2024 09:41

The government will do it all by themselves. They always do. What idiot turns down a job with Goldman Sachs? If that is true of course. She might have been offered nothing as we have no proof. She might know more if she had worked for them and possibly more able to understand business without the veil of political dogma and lies.

Of course it’s true. The mainstream media would have found someone ready to accuse her of lying by now if it wasn’t.

TizerorFizz · 15/10/2024 09:41

The government will do it all by themselves. They always do. What idiot turns down a job with Goldman Sachs? If that is true of course. She might have been offered nothing as we have no proof. She might know more if she had worked for them and possibly more able to understand business without the veil of political dogma and lies.

BIossomtoes · 15/10/2024 09:31

Interviewed for a job at Goldman Sachs which she turned down. People who have done that must form a very small club.

I can’t believe how much some people actively want this government to fail. Why?

EasternStandard · 15/10/2024 09:27

Alltheprettyseahorses · 14/10/2024 16:22

Goldman Sachs has a graduate programme. Reeves seems to have been interviewed when she was 21 and subsequently turned down a job. There doesn't seem to be any evidence of headhunting.

So interviewed for graduate programme becomes ‘headhunted by Goldman Sachs’

Blimey bit of a stretch

As for the rest @hamstersarse is close

TizerorFizz · 15/10/2024 09:16

@justasking111 Ireland has had a very clear policy of attracting investment by being a lower tax economy. They are in the EU, but we are not. The whole idea of trying to get investment is because we are losing out to other countries. We allowed the Brexit vote and now have dire consequences for business investment. What companies really want to be here with such difficult export and import arrangements that don’t happen in the vast majority of Europe. At the same time Reeves wants more tax from an already highly taxed economy - one assumes for political ideology reasons.

We also have low productivity and low growth. We have skill shortages and a workforce that likes a bit of part time work. We aren’t very attractive and £65b is diddly squat when the City of London begins to struggle. We will feel a very cold wind then.

hamstersarse · 15/10/2024 09:04

Reeves is incompetent and out of her depth. But worse, she’s an ideological hell hole. She makes economic decisions based on these ideologies, not on what is best economically.

I think most Labour supporters are fine with that because they have this fictional boogey man of the evil rich person in their mind. Even when the VAT on private school thing will end up costing the government because of tax rebates that are possible due to their change of status, they are still happy cos they are disrupting rich people.

i just find it all childish, and I’m not even rich

justasking111 · 15/10/2024 08:30

In Ireland they woo with tax breaks. I wonder what was offered this time

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Zonder · 15/10/2024 08:28

BIossomtoes · 15/10/2024 07:36

Yeh but Taylor Swift...

TizerorFizz · 15/10/2024 00:28

There’s a huge irony that Labour want to affect business after the disaster of Brexit but are increasing taxes on business. Tax and possibly NI. It’s not joined up thinking. Being anti business is in this government’s DNA. They are being told we are now a backwater as our access to the EU is compromised. We had it all and gave it away. Reeves needs to see the problems with not attracting business investment - it’s vital in the view of many. She’s ploughing her own furrow and it won’t end well. She’s also throwing small businesses who employ half of employees in this county under a bus by increased costs. They just don’t learn.

Zonder · 14/10/2024 19:28

Are we not supposed to criticise the government any more?
Criticism is one thing when it's justified. Banging on and on about legal irrelevancies is another. Unfortunately that's mostly what Labour are getting.

username3678 · 14/10/2024 17:37

Seagall · 14/10/2024 16:24

I don't think she's planning to tax the rich though is she?

The Tory press are scaremongering about her taking all your money from under the mattress.

Seagall · 14/10/2024 16:24

username3678 · 13/10/2024 22:49

We don't have an independent press in the UK which is why Labour are getting ripped to shreds. Rich people don't like paying tax.

I don't think she's planning to tax the rich though is she?

Alltheprettyseahorses · 14/10/2024 16:22

Goldman Sachs has a graduate programme. Reeves seems to have been interviewed when she was 21 and subsequently turned down a job. There doesn't seem to be any evidence of headhunting.

BIossomtoes · 14/10/2024 15:18

Goldman Sachs don’t headhunt any old shit. They can recruit anyone they want.

Alltheprettyseahorses · 14/10/2024 13:57

justasking111 · 14/10/2024 13:04

Rachel Reeves has worked outside of parliament when younger. Worked for the Bank of England, HBOS headhunted by Goldman Sachs. Her education shows that she is a very clever woman. She married a civil servant.

Her sister is a barrister and politician. Her brother in law was a politician now HOL.

I bet their family get togethers are very interesting.

I'd say quietly very capable to be Chancellor.

"Rachel Reeves - Wikipedia" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Reeves

Her BoE role was fairly junior wasn't it? People do better academically all the time - I haven't got any A levels but did a degree a few years ago as a mature student and walked a first so I'm not that impressed.

I fail to see the relevance of spouse and family - my ma was a darts champion but I can't hit the board from 5ft, so what if her husband is a civil servant? 🤷🏻‍♀️

She's repeatedly lied about why she's removing the WFA, she's even said she can't manage her massive household budget so she's obviously a mistake.

username3678 · 14/10/2024 13:52

Alltheprettyseahorses · 14/10/2024 13:46

Both Gray and Reeves have long careers it hasn't been 5 minutes. I've no doubt all the men are equally out of their depth, especially Starmer, but none of them has been thrown under the bus as yet and there have definitely been massive mistakes such as Lammy's.

Given five minutes in office.

Alltheprettyseahorses · 14/10/2024 13:46

username3678 · 14/10/2024 13:14

Anyway. It's partly that Reeves is seriously out of her depth as her experience in finance seems to be much exaggerated, partly that she is blatantly lying to us eg removing WFA because there's no money as though she thinks no one knows she's been plotting to do it for a decade or more, and partly that Starmer is no leader and seems to be throwing a lot of women MPs under the bus, even Sue Gray when I think about it.

Which of the men Starmer has put in place is out of their depth? Is it just the women? Gray and now Reeves who've been given five minutes to prove themselves.

Both Gray and Reeves have long careers it hasn't been 5 minutes. I've no doubt all the men are equally out of their depth, especially Starmer, but none of them has been thrown under the bus as yet and there have definitely been massive mistakes such as Lammy's.

username3678 · 14/10/2024 13:14

Alltheprettyseahorses · 14/10/2024 10:17

Are we not supposed to criticise the government any more? I don't remember being scolded about having a go at the Tories and there were threads everywhere about them. Labour is doing really badly so of course people will start threads discussing it.

Anyway. It's partly that Reeves is seriously out of her depth as her experience in finance seems to be much exaggerated, partly that she is blatantly lying to us eg removing WFA because there's no money as though she thinks no one knows she's been plotting to do it for a decade or more, and partly that Starmer is no leader and seems to be throwing a lot of women MPs under the bus, even Sue Gray when I think about it.

Anyway. It's partly that Reeves is seriously out of her depth as her experience in finance seems to be much exaggerated, partly that she is blatantly lying to us eg removing WFA because there's no money as though she thinks no one knows she's been plotting to do it for a decade or more, and partly that Starmer is no leader and seems to be throwing a lot of women MPs under the bus, even Sue Gray when I think about it.

Which of the men Starmer has put in place is out of their depth? Is it just the women? Gray and now Reeves who've been given five minutes to prove themselves.

justasking111 · 14/10/2024 13:04

Rachel Reeves has worked outside of parliament when younger. Worked for the Bank of England, HBOS headhunted by Goldman Sachs. Her education shows that she is a very clever woman. She married a civil servant.

Her sister is a barrister and politician. Her brother in law was a politician now HOL.

I bet their family get togethers are very interesting.

I'd say quietly very capable to be Chancellor.

"Rachel Reeves - Wikipedia" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Reeves

Rachel Reeves - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Reeves

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Alltheprettyseahorses · 14/10/2024 10:17

Zonder · 13/10/2024 14:16

So are the number of anti labour threads. Quite perplexing 🤔

Are we not supposed to criticise the government any more? I don't remember being scolded about having a go at the Tories and there were threads everywhere about them. Labour is doing really badly so of course people will start threads discussing it.

Anyway. It's partly that Reeves is seriously out of her depth as her experience in finance seems to be much exaggerated, partly that she is blatantly lying to us eg removing WFA because there's no money as though she thinks no one knows she's been plotting to do it for a decade or more, and partly that Starmer is no leader and seems to be throwing a lot of women MPs under the bus, even Sue Gray when I think about it.

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