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Trump has said we are on the brink of WW3, aibu to agree with him?

193 replies

Whitenoise1 · 01/10/2024 23:16

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/iran-attack-israel-trump-biden-b2622151.html

OP posts:
Missamyp · 02/10/2024 07:40

Technically there is a war in Europe and the Middle East already with the world supporting each side by proxy with weapons. The issue for Brits is the lack of understanding of the scale of the war in the Ukraine because our landmass is so tiny.
Will we send troops to the Middle East if it escalates? Probably is my assessment. I can't see the West wanting to go head-to-head with Russia though.

Lovelysummerdays · 02/10/2024 07:39

I think there are multiple conflicts that have the capacity to spread. Russia could retaliate against a NATO country for supporting Ukraine with weapons, Israel increasing the scale of conflict in Middle East, let’s not forget China eyeing up Taiwan which I’m betting will be the next big thing in international conflicts.

I think any of these have the ability to grow. I hope they won’t obviously

Zebrashavestripes · 02/10/2024 07:39

How do you define "WW3"?

AgnesX · 02/10/2024 07:37

The man's a simplistic drama queen who communicates in sound bites.

Expect the cost of oil to go up, the numbers of refugees to increase and more sadly another generation growing up to think this is normal 😔

PlumpPlumpington · 02/10/2024 07:37

I've lost count on the number of times WW3 was about to start in the last decade according to social media or some doom merchant or other. I remember everyone thought it would happen when Russia invaded Ukraine.

The simple fact is there's not a single country that wants the outbreak of WW3, so it'll never escalate to that point.

The Middle East is, and always has been a mess. They can't get along for more than two minutes without wanting to kill each other. But no, it won't lead to the outbreak of WW3.

thepariscrimefiles · 02/10/2024 07:37

Salmoney · 02/10/2024 03:29

I despise Trump, but he very much is against US intervention abroad and is one of the least likely people to drag America (and the rest of the West) into an all out war. His comments around this are largely criticism of the current President.

Trump is isolationist but he also supports all the worst leaders in the world such as Orban and Netanyahu with a special place in his heart for dictators which he aspires to be.

Like Netanyahu, Trump needs to be in power to stay out of prison and I believe that he will back Netanyahu unconditionally.

Plus Trump has an aversion to diplomacy. He won't negotiate for a ceasefire as he doesn't care about the Palestinians. He has no empathy and no moral code. He is a very dangerous man.

OrdsallChord · 02/10/2024 07:36

Whitenoise1 · 02/10/2024 07:34

The link between Iran & Russia is frightening & look what's continuing in Ukraine, it's all very close to home.
Zelinsky would have all of Europe involved if he could. Ukraine could escalate further too & spread.. I do think we are on the brink to be honest.

The UK continuing to actively support Ukraine against Russia is one of the best deterrents we have against further conflict in Europe.

Salmoney · 02/10/2024 07:35

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 02/10/2024 05:33

Its not the US's nuclear capability that is actually needed to protect smaller NATO nations in Europe, its the ability to comprehensively defeat any conventional act of aggression to the point whereby it would be pointless for Putin to even attempt it.

Most of NATO's conventional capability is the US military and its ability to rapidly deploy large forces. If that's removed, then a conventional conquest of the Baltics and/or Finland becomes a lot more feasible, because as much as NATO articles suggest otherwise, the US, UK, or France is not about to go nuking Moscow because Russian tanks are rolling through Riga due to the fact the Latvian military was unable to stand them up at the border.

We in Europe should have invested in a reasonable fighting force, we shouldn't be relying on the US is the point. They're having trouble recruiting and losing support for military funding because they aren't just fighting for their country anymore, some are spending years stationed away from home and then fighting in other countries primarily because they don't have enough military. Sure, not good for us if they do this, I don't think unreasonable from their perspective though.

Whitenoise1 · 02/10/2024 07:34

daisychain01 · 02/10/2024 04:58

Other countries wouldn't need to get involved for another WW to break out - despotic sociopathic leaders (yes, men I'm looking at you) look at what's happening and decide they'll hop on the bandwagon and wage their own wars to satisfy their own power trip. Stranger things have happened.

the link between Iran and Russia for example is extremely worrying ....

The link between Iran & Russia is frightening & look what's continuing in Ukraine, it's all very close to home.
Zelinsky would have all of Europe involved if he could. Ukraine could escalate further too & spread.. I do think we are on the brink to be honest.

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AwayWithLu · 02/10/2024 07:29

No, WW3, I don't think so.

I am concerned about Jihadists in the UK in the current situation. The West is culturally and ethnically very diverse, much more so than in 2003 and the conflict in the Middle East will affect people in the UK. Either those from the countries involved or anyone due to a higher terror threat. I also hate the idea of any war anywhere in this day and age. It's extremely uncivilised. As a species humans don't seem to have evolved much.

OrdsallChord · 02/10/2024 07:28

southpawsofthenorth · 02/10/2024 07:21

I think it depends how well Israel is able to defend itself. If it looks like Israel may be over run then it seems likely that America will step in and maybe other Western country’s will also be dragged into it. Israel is far from defenceless though so this probably won’t happen. All out war in the Middle East may happen though.

Yeah, Israel can defend itself pretty well. Even the 7th October massacres, whilst obviously awful for them, didn't last long and they secured their borders after a couple of days. They're also not about to make that mistake again. And that barrage from Iran last night didn't cause them much harm. Any conflict isn't going to take place within their borders.

Suzuki70 · 02/10/2024 07:28

ToBeDetermined · 01/10/2024 23:59

I think YABU, but if Trump wins the election, I might swap to YANBU as I think he is literally fantasising about being a WWIII President and being memorialised like FDR, and I am not wholly secure that the Joint Chiefs of Staff and his Cabinet can keep him from that big red button.

My thoughts exactly.

Nousernameforme · 02/10/2024 07:27

Yabu it's Trump. If on a Sunday night he said we were on the brink of Monday I would double check just to be sure.

Alectoishome · 02/10/2024 07:26

I have come to the decision I would feel safer about world affairs if Trump gets in. Harris may be more palatable in many ways but I doubt her competency, especially in potential wartime. The idea of her as president in current times makes me uneasy.

I think the UK is like a tinderbox at the moment and, all things around the world considered, we are closer to world war than we've ever been in our lifetime. But I still can't see it coming to that, it would be so globally disastrous. I imagine civil unrest is only going to get worse in many places though, including here.

southpawsofthenorth · 02/10/2024 07:21

I think it depends how well Israel is able to defend itself. If it looks like Israel may be over run then it seems likely that America will step in and maybe other Western country’s will also be dragged into it. Israel is far from defenceless though so this probably won’t happen. All out war in the Middle East may happen though.

OrdsallChord · 02/10/2024 07:21

Salmoney · 02/10/2024 05:26

It's not just about people back in the US though, although I know lots believe the narrative that Jews control everything for their own gain hyperbole. It's wild how many people don't understand why Israel not being wiped from the map is beneficial to us and the US.

Isn't it just!

Grandmasswagbag · 02/10/2024 07:21

I'm no Trump fan but I do think he could keep these mad world leaders in check far better than senile Biden and MIA Harris. People do love to froth about him but really he's alot of hot air and his presidency was rather uneventful. Will Trump be tougher on trying to keep Israel in check, which in turn might start to de escalate the situation a bit ? That's what I feel is an unknown. Biden seems to just smile and nod.

OrdsallChord · 02/10/2024 07:20

baroqueandblue · 02/10/2024 00:09

Not the only one, I'm sure. But that doesn't mean any of you are right.

Lots of countries supply arms to warring countries and factions. It's not something I could condone even for a moment, but it generally doesn't result in military reprisals against those supplying. Terrorist attacks sometimes, but, relatively speaking, even those are rare.

Trump is implying that the Democrats have contributed to the current state of play between both Russia and Ukraine, and between Israel and the Middle East countries they're attacking. He's hoping that voters will be swayed to vote for him in the hope that he can avert a third World War if he becomes President again. It's just scaremongering. His crystal ball is no better than anyone else's, and his grasp of history is very questionable, just like his passing acquaintance with The Truth 🤷‍♂️

This. It's politicking.

It'll be regional war at most, not global, and the UK isn't vulnerable. Russia have had nearly three years of us blatantly supplying Ukraine and have done fuck all, and unlike Israel's opponents they do at least have weapons that could get to us.

EasternStandard · 02/10/2024 07:20

Well the phrase makes me tense because what does that actually mean

We are at a terrible time for volatility I agree but it could be contained to ME even if other countries are involved

GiveMeSpanakopita · 02/10/2024 07:16

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day, and Trump is right here.

Israel-Hamas is and has always been a proxy war between US and Iran. Basically, US uses Israel as its tool to do its work in the Middle East of keeping nuclear-armed Islamist theocracies at bay (whether you think this is good work or dirty work is dependent on your political flavour and is irrelevant here: it just is a fact).

With US announcing it will commit troops to support Israel, that proxy war now is close to an actual war.

To PPs scoffing at OP - check your privilege. In fact, we all should. We in Western Europe have enjoyed a long uninterrupted period of peace, safety and wealth since the end of WW2. If we look at the sweep of history, we will see that this is an anomaly, and not our birthright. We have the luxury of taking peace for granted, but that doesn't mean we will always have it, and only the ignorant or arrogant would think otherwise.

sashh · 02/10/2024 07:13

jezlifecoach · 01/10/2024 23:37

Please can you tell me what wars were started under Trump as I’m struggling to think of any.

How about a war on women in Afghanistan. FFS he made a deal with the Taliban.

notimagain · 02/10/2024 07:11

@ayvasili

, our Google maps and Waze have been scrambled, and we often find that instead of downtown Limassol we are being told we are approaching Beirut airport (thanks to US/UK scrambling the signals)

For info whilst the scale of jamming might have increased it’s certainly not new in your part of the world and I wouldn’t assume it’s the US/UK doing it.

The Russians and their allies have been very keen on jamming GPS over/around the eastern Med ever since they got involved in the conflict in Syria…it’s been causing minor problems for civil aviation over that part of the world for at least a decade.

Pumpkinsoup24 · 02/10/2024 07:06

We are....because the USA can't keep their nose out of other countries business and then the UK will get roped into it.
It's time we stop.interfering and just let them crack on with it ...the middle eastern countries are always going to be fighting each other. It's not our problem.

MushMonster · 02/10/2024 06:58

But I am hoping that common sense will prevail and we stay clear of it.

MushMonster · 02/10/2024 06:54

AnnoyedAsAllHeck · 02/10/2024 06:26

Well, to be honest, as a US citizen, I am getting a bit tired of my country carrying such a large financial cost for NATO and the UN. I am also tired of our countrymen being sent out to "protect and die" because we can deploy a larger force.

I guess I am jaded. A horrible hurricane and storm has decimated a part of our country. People are dead, missing, cities without power, roads closed, so help cannot get through quickly. And yet, I am not exactly hearing anything on the news about other countries rushing to help us. Yep, I AM jaded.

And you are absolutely right there.
UK has a large amount of problems too.
I would rather do not send any soldiers to die for a cause that almost nobody fully understands. I think, not even the guys driving it, to be honest.
I am a bit worried that the powers that rule us would see the chance to grab a share in crude oil/ minerals and end up sending troops and repeating history. They really do not care that much how many soldiers or civilians die. There is always this lot obsessed with money!

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