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Trump has said we are on the brink of WW3, aibu to agree with him?

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Whitenoise1 · 01/10/2024 23:16

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/iran-attack-israel-trump-biden-b2622151.html

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Whitenoise1 · 02/10/2024 08:14

EasternStandard · 02/10/2024 08:07

And then? What is your suggestion

I'm not suggesting anything, I'm not a politician. I'm merely stating a fact! More information here.

https://www.reuters.com/world/frances-macron-condemns-irans-attacks-israel-2024-10-02/

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OrdsallChord · 02/10/2024 08:13

SaySomethingMan · 02/10/2024 08:09

As a former president, instead of adding his voice to the ceasefire demands or whatever he thinks will help the situations, he chooses to stoke the fire of panic?

He's electioneering. Going to say whatever he thinks is most likely to get people to vote for him.

Wallaw · 02/10/2024 08:09

You don't seem to have a very deep understanding of US-Russia relations, OP. If you're interested in deepening your understanding, I hight recommend the Center for Strategic and International Studies, a bipartisan, non-profit policy think tank, as an excellent resource.

www.csis.org/

SaySomethingMan · 02/10/2024 08:09

As a former president, instead of adding his voice to the ceasefire demands or whatever he thinks will help the situations, he chooses to stoke the fire of panic?

LovingCritic · 02/10/2024 08:08

Not ww3, but a serious conflict in the Middle East which could have worldwide consequences.

Oil prices could shoot up, and we still use a lot of oil, plus the very real prospect of terrorist activity.

EasternStandard · 02/10/2024 08:07

Whitenoise1 · 02/10/2024 08:06

France has announced this morning they are sending military supplies to Israel..

And then? What is your suggestion

SurelySmartie · 02/10/2024 08:06

we do provide Israel with weapons as do the USA

The U.K. and US were directly involved in defending Israel last night as well.

itsgettingweird · 02/10/2024 08:06

My fear is if Trump gets in he'll start WW3.

His rhetoric is not helpful. It's a very complex situation that needs diplomacy - of which he is devoid.

Whitenoise1 · 02/10/2024 08:06

France has announced this morning they are sending military supplies to Israel..

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SaySomethingMan · 02/10/2024 08:04

Whitenoise1 · 02/10/2024 00:09

@XDownwiththissortofthingX
Vulnerable to increased terrorist attacks on UK soil for one.

that’s not the same as ww3, though?

Yes, I wouldn’t be surprised if those affected by UK supplying arms that’s used on their countries ‘sought revenge’ in the UK. The supply of arms has repercussions. Many incidents of terrorism have resulted from similar.

TalkSomeSense2 · 02/10/2024 08:03

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Wondering what the point of this response is? We're not sliding into a big event across the Middle East because Trump is an idiot and your parents lived through WW2? It's a shame you aren't on the BatPhone to Benjamin Netanyahu. The problem would be solved in an instant. 😂

iwishihadknownmore · 02/10/2024 08:01

@GiveMeSpanakopita

The world has always been an uncertain place, iron curtain, invasions of eastern europe by the Soviets in the 50s and 60s, Cuba, mass formations of armour facing each other across the plains of Germany.
Constant wars in the ME, far far worse than what we see now, such as Iran/Iraq which saw millions die, Israel attacked by its neighbours - Jordan, Syria and Egypt...

China needs trade to keep its population happy, war will do the exact opposite.

Russia cannot even defeat a small nation like Ukraine, has to beg borrow weapons from Iran and NK, it would face defeat if it attacked a nato state, even without the USA.

Iran has plenty of old 70s style weapons which are ineffective now.

You say Biden is demented? have ever listened to Trump? the world will be a better place if he is defeated in November and a far worse place if he is not.

Whitenoise1 · 02/10/2024 08:01

GiveMeSpanakopita · 02/10/2024 07:52

Further to my last comment. I would add that from the Iranian perspective, now is the perfect time to be starting something.

Between 1945 and 2008, the US acted as the police force of the world. It was dragged rather reluctantly into this role (because for most of its history the US has been protectionist and inward-looking) but did the job fairly well leading to decades of relative global stability.

Obama return the US to its more protectionist and inward looking foreign policy. Trump changed this up a bit, in that he sought to use an iron fist in velvet glove style of diplomacy (or threats, depending on your perspective) rather than force to keep global peace, with mixed but on the whole temporarily positive results. Biden returned to the Obama-style protectionist foreign policy, but did so very clumsily (see: Afghanistan), leading to further ME instability.

Ever get the sense that the world is generally less stable than it was in the 2000s? Yeah, there's a reason for that.

Now, from the POV of Iran Russia and China, the American policeman is asleep at the helm. Like the drunken leaders of the dying USSR, Biden is demented and his role is being done by his family and a military clique, who reputedly do not sing from the same hymnsheet. So now's a great time for the new multipolar superpower of Iran, China and Russia to be starting military shit - which they all are.

Couple this with widespread online disinformation and sowing of discord amongst the once culturlaly stable nations of Western Europe, and I believe our children and certainly our grandchildren will live in a time of declining wealth, greater poverty and war for resources. This has already begun, as we all know if we open our eyes and look around.

Personally I got my kids learning Mandarin and Arabic 8 years ago. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em and we all need to look after our own.

Excellent post & I do agree with you.

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Whitenoise1 · 02/10/2024 07:59

EasternStandard · 02/10/2024 07:50

You can’t want this though op?

Are you in the U.K. out of interest

Of course I don't want it. I'm just pointing out logistics. Yes I'm in the UK.

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Flux1 · 02/10/2024 07:58

We'll be a lot closer to WW3 if Trump is voted back in

timenowplease · 02/10/2024 07:56

People will disagree only because you used the word Trump in your post.

People are stupid. So stupid they think it's a good idea we all engage in a proxy war with nuclear Superpower.

Yes, we are treading on very dangerous ground.

Whitenoise1 · 02/10/2024 07:54

AwayWithLu · 02/10/2024 07:29

No, WW3, I don't think so.

I am concerned about Jihadists in the UK in the current situation. The West is culturally and ethnically very diverse, much more so than in 2003 and the conflict in the Middle East will affect people in the UK. Either those from the countries involved or anyone due to a higher terror threat. I also hate the idea of any war anywhere in this day and age. It's extremely uncivilised. As a species humans don't seem to have evolved much.

Agree. There is so much resentment towards the west & there is a lot of radicalisation happening throughout Europe so I feel very vulnerable at the thoughts of increased terrorist attacks & suicide bombers.

Also the probable fuel hikes will affect how we heat our homes in the winter, petrol or the car, increased air fares etc...

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GiveMeSpanakopita · 02/10/2024 07:52

Further to my last comment. I would add that from the Iranian perspective, now is the perfect time to be starting something.

Between 1945 and 2008, the US acted as the police force of the world. It was dragged rather reluctantly into this role (because for most of its history the US has been protectionist and inward-looking) but did the job fairly well leading to decades of relative global stability.

Obama return the US to its more protectionist and inward looking foreign policy. Trump changed this up a bit, in that he sought to use an iron fist in velvet glove style of diplomacy (or threats, depending on your perspective) rather than force to keep global peace, with mixed but on the whole temporarily positive results. Biden returned to the Obama-style protectionist foreign policy, but did so very clumsily (see: Afghanistan), leading to further ME instability.

Ever get the sense that the world is generally less stable than it was in the 2000s? Yeah, there's a reason for that.

Now, from the POV of Iran Russia and China, the American policeman is asleep at the helm. Like the drunken leaders of the dying USSR, Biden is demented and his role is being done by his family and a military clique, who reputedly do not sing from the same hymnsheet. So now's a great time for the new multipolar superpower of Iran, China and Russia to be starting military shit - which they all are.

Couple this with widespread online disinformation and sowing of discord amongst the once culturlaly stable nations of Western Europe, and I believe our children and certainly our grandchildren will live in a time of declining wealth, greater poverty and war for resources. This has already begun, as we all know if we open our eyes and look around.

Personally I got my kids learning Mandarin and Arabic 8 years ago. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em and we all need to look after our own.

Whitenoise1 · 02/10/2024 07:50

Alectoishome · 02/10/2024 07:26

I have come to the decision I would feel safer about world affairs if Trump gets in. Harris may be more palatable in many ways but I doubt her competency, especially in potential wartime. The idea of her as president in current times makes me uneasy.

I think the UK is like a tinderbox at the moment and, all things around the world considered, we are closer to world war than we've ever been in our lifetime. But I still can't see it coming to that, it would be so globally disastrous. I imagine civil unrest is only going to get worse in many places though, including here.

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Agree. He was one of the very few leaders who managed to keep a good relationship with Putin, something almost unheard of from a US president..
The USA have always had very frosty, volatile relationships with the Russians going right back to the Soviets & the Cold War..

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EasternStandard · 02/10/2024 07:50

Whitenoise1 · 02/10/2024 07:47

I don't think it can be contained because we already have the Russia /Ukraine war in Europe. Things could get entertwined very quickly as they both have common denominators & allies.

You can’t want this though op?

Are you in the U.K. out of interest

Whitenoise1 · 02/10/2024 07:47

EasternStandard · 02/10/2024 07:20

Well the phrase makes me tense because what does that actually mean

We are at a terrible time for volatility I agree but it could be contained to ME even if other countries are involved

I don't think it can be contained because we already have the Russia /Ukraine war in Europe. Things could get entertwined very quickly as they both have common denominators & allies.

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iwishihadknownmore · 02/10/2024 07:47

Whitenoise1 · 01/10/2024 23:23

I do feel things in the Middle East are escalating rapidly & we do provide Israel with weapons as do the USA

Go back to the 60s and 70s and 80s, at the height of Soviet power and the Cold war and Israel were at war with pretty much all their neighbours.

The big players like Saudi Arabia & Egypt don't want war, Iraq and Syria are no longer capable, Russia is tied up in Ukraine, that leaves Iran, an isolated country, with limited military hardware, both Israel and the USA will bomb their nuclear facilities if they get nr a nuclear weapon.

For me, its how we applaud Israel for behaving no better than Russia in Ukraine with its indiscriminate attacks that kill 1000s of civilians, defend themselves yes of course but its the way they do it.

thepariscrimefiles · 02/10/2024 07:46

OrdsallChord · 02/10/2024 07:36

The UK continuing to actively support Ukraine against Russia is one of the best deterrents we have against further conflict in Europe.

That is true. If Trump wins he will withdraw support for Ukraine and support Putin to take over Ukraine. An emboldened Putin could then turn his sights on a Nato country which could definitely lead to all out war in Europe.

Whitenoise1 · 02/10/2024 07:44

Pumpkinsoup24 · 02/10/2024 07:06

We are....because the USA can't keep their nose out of other countries business and then the UK will get roped into it.
It's time we stop.interfering and just let them crack on with it ...the middle eastern countries are always going to be fighting each other. It's not our problem.

It's so true.. They have been fighting each other since biblical times!

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Whitenoise1 · 02/10/2024 07:40

MaggieBsBoat · 02/10/2024 06:22

The USA has two business sales propositions and business models

  1. war - military and weaponry
  2. pharmaceuticals

it will do whatever it takes to ensure that it’s profit margins are secure. This is why it meddles so insidiously in the Middle East and south and Latin America. It wants war but not all out war (because that’s bad for business). Why will freak out the US at the moment is that it is potentially running out of their control.

And yes we are involved already and yes it leaves us open to increased levels of domestic terrorism, an economic downturn worse than we could
imagine and political unrest/insecurity and a decrease in foreign good relations in Europe.

i think anyone who doesn’t realise this is not thinking logically or indeed laterally about the situation. One has to critically it.

I do think we are on the cusp, but the US may be good enough at their chosen job to bring us back from it.

The US is the biggest threat to world peace. Let’s hope they do something about it.

Thanks for your comment, I'm on the same hymn sheet as you. I also read yesterday it will affect us indirectly through increased oil & petrol hikes, not ideal during this cost of living crisis.
First world problems I know with so many millions being displaced but we are involved & it will affect us all in some way.
Oil etc is expensive enough as it is & now we are approaching winter...

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