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Trump has said we are on the brink of WW3, aibu to agree with him?

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Whitenoise1 · 01/10/2024 23:16

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/iran-attack-israel-trump-biden-b2622151.html

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EasternStandard · 02/10/2024 09:11

Whitenoise1 · 02/10/2024 09:07

But do you not think if the US pulls funding & military from Ukraine & the Middle East these wars cannot continue? Why are the UK giving weapons? Why have France given military aid to Israel this morning?

What will happen to Israel if it does not get support?

Whitenoise1 · 02/10/2024 09:11

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/danish-police-investigate-two-blasts-near-israels-embassy-copenhagen-2024-10-02/

As mentioned above regarding terrorist attacks, there has been two blasts near the Israeli embassy in Copenhagen this morning.

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Alectoishome · 02/10/2024 09:11

iwishihadknownmore · 02/10/2024 08:01

@GiveMeSpanakopita

The world has always been an uncertain place, iron curtain, invasions of eastern europe by the Soviets in the 50s and 60s, Cuba, mass formations of armour facing each other across the plains of Germany.
Constant wars in the ME, far far worse than what we see now, such as Iran/Iraq which saw millions die, Israel attacked by its neighbours - Jordan, Syria and Egypt...

China needs trade to keep its population happy, war will do the exact opposite.

Russia cannot even defeat a small nation like Ukraine, has to beg borrow weapons from Iran and NK, it would face defeat if it attacked a nato state, even without the USA.

Iran has plenty of old 70s style weapons which are ineffective now.

You say Biden is demented? have ever listened to Trump? the world will be a better place if he is defeated in November and a far worse place if he is not.

But Biden is actually demented though? Literally. He is completely senile and has been for years. You can't possibly be questioning that? Whoever has been governing the US the last few years I dont know exactly, a group of high ranking gov and military officials I suppose, but its certainly not Joe Biden. The man hardly knows his own name.

OrdsallChord · 02/10/2024 09:09

Respectisnotoptional · 02/10/2024 08:44

No I agree with you, it gives these hothead countries a valid excuse to retaliate against us. Russia in particular is I think a threat, and they have very long range weapons. We are no longer the country who ruled we the world, we are a tiny vulnerable island and are not strong in our defence.
I truly hope war doesn’t happen but I would say never say never.

Russia isn't remotely a threat. There's been nearly 3 years of us and various other Western countries clearly supplying Ukraine, and they've done nothing other than bluster. Because they know they can do fuck all. They're not even in control of all their own territory at the moment.

It's not WW3 that's the likely issue, its further economic problems due to interference with the coat of oil.

Whitenoise1 · 02/10/2024 09:07

Wallaw · 02/10/2024 08:59

But Trump's foreign policy is the absolute definition of 'I'm all right mate'.

But do you not think if the US pulls funding & military from Ukraine & the Middle East these wars cannot continue? Why are the UK giving weapons? Why have France given military aid to Israel this morning?

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Notonthestairs · 02/10/2024 08:59

"He almost started a civil War if you count that…"

And gives no sign of respecting any outcome that doesn't declare him winner in November.
Not to mention Vance saying that he would not have certified the last presidential election.

Wallaw · 02/10/2024 08:59

Whitenoise1 · 02/10/2024 08:56

Exactly! On a global scale at the moment we have Ukraine /Russia, the Middle East & also the threat of China & Taiwan..
This "I'm alright mate" attitude is so flippant.
All those counteries are intertwined & are divided into allies.. China, Russia, Iran are in bed together... Israel, U. S, U. K, Ukraine, France & Germany are pretty much an alliance... India seems to be on the fence..
Anything can happen & we cannot be blindsided..

Terrorist attacks are getting so common in Europe, some smaller ones go unreported in the UK press or are referred to as isolated incidents or "lone wolf" attacks... How many lone wolves make a pack?

Supply & fuel hikes will sky rocket which will directly affect every one of us.

But Trump's foreign policy is the absolute definition of 'I'm all right mate'.

Whitenoise1 · 02/10/2024 08:56

GiveMeSpanakopita · 02/10/2024 08:33

See, this is exactly what I meant by sowing discord.

Instead of looking at the bigger picture - the growing instability of the world and the shift from unipolar US hegemony to multipolar Russia-Iran-China - I've got PPs nitpicking on tiny irrelevant gotchas according to their own personal political biases.

This is why so many of us can no longer open our eyes to see what's actually going on on a global level. Social media has shrunk our perspective and locked us in tiny bias-bubbles so tight that it's actually breaking down our ability to think critically and strategically.

Who cares WHO did the actual Afghan fuck-up? My wider point - the growing instability of the world and the shift from unipolar US hegemony to multipolar Russia-Iran-China - is the true issue here.

Exactly! On a global scale at the moment we have Ukraine /Russia, the Middle East & also the threat of China & Taiwan..
This "I'm alright mate" attitude is so flippant.
All those counteries are intertwined & are divided into allies.. China, Russia, Iran are in bed together... Israel, U. S, U. K, Ukraine, France & Germany are pretty much an alliance... India seems to be on the fence..
Anything can happen & we cannot be blindsided..

Terrorist attacks are getting so common in Europe, some smaller ones go unreported in the UK press or are referred to as isolated incidents or "lone wolf" attacks... How many lone wolves make a pack?

Supply & fuel hikes will sky rocket which will directly affect every one of us.

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Ghosttofu99 · 02/10/2024 08:50

jezlifecoach · 01/10/2024 23:37

Please can you tell me what wars were started under Trump as I’m struggling to think of any.

He almost started a civil War if you count that…

thepariscrimefiles · 02/10/2024 08:45

Trump had a good relationship with Putin as he agrees with everything he says and everything he does.

It sounds as though you would like Trump to win the election. As he is an adjudicated rapist and a convicted felon who tried to overturn the result of a free and fair election, that makes your opinion on world affairs not worth listening to.

Respectisnotoptional · 02/10/2024 08:44

Whitenoise1 · 01/10/2024 23:58

Am I the only one who feels the UK is vulnerable due to supplying weapons to both Ukraine & Israel?

No I agree with you, it gives these hothead countries a valid excuse to retaliate against us. Russia in particular is I think a threat, and they have very long range weapons. We are no longer the country who ruled we the world, we are a tiny vulnerable island and are not strong in our defence.
I truly hope war doesn’t happen but I would say never say never.

maddening · 02/10/2024 08:44

TofuTart · 01/10/2024 23:36

YABU. He's a nob.
So are you if you believe anything that comes out of his trap.

This type of argument is shit- personal insults and purity spirals, guilt by association, shutting down debate - this gets no-one anywhere.

ThreeLeafedClover · 02/10/2024 08:41

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 01/10/2024 23:58

"vulnerable" to what, precisely?

A coalition between Russia and Iran.

Wallaw · 02/10/2024 08:41

GiveMeSpanakopita · 02/10/2024 08:33

See, this is exactly what I meant by sowing discord.

Instead of looking at the bigger picture - the growing instability of the world and the shift from unipolar US hegemony to multipolar Russia-Iran-China - I've got PPs nitpicking on tiny irrelevant gotchas according to their own personal political biases.

This is why so many of us can no longer open our eyes to see what's actually going on on a global level. Social media has shrunk our perspective and locked us in tiny bias-bubbles so tight that it's actually breaking down our ability to think critically and strategically.

Who cares WHO did the actual Afghan fuck-up? My wider point - the growing instability of the world and the shift from unipolar US hegemony to multipolar Russia-Iran-China - is the true issue here.

If this constitutes your understanding of American foreign policy, it's rather hilarious that you're calling out shrunken perspectives and 'tiny bias bubbles'. I know exactly where you're getting your (mis) and (dis) information, so yeah, I'm calling out your ability to understand any complexities. And it's not nit-picking to point out that in a discussion of various administrations' foreign policy, assigning sole blame to the wrong administration pollutes and weakens your argument.

Like the drunken leaders of the dying USSR, Biden is demented and his role is being done by his family and a military clique, who reputedly do not sing from the same hymnsheet.

sashh · 02/10/2024 08:40

GiveMeSpanakopita · 02/10/2024 08:33

See, this is exactly what I meant by sowing discord.

Instead of looking at the bigger picture - the growing instability of the world and the shift from unipolar US hegemony to multipolar Russia-Iran-China - I've got PPs nitpicking on tiny irrelevant gotchas according to their own personal political biases.

This is why so many of us can no longer open our eyes to see what's actually going on on a global level. Social media has shrunk our perspective and locked us in tiny bias-bubbles so tight that it's actually breaking down our ability to think critically and strategically.

Who cares WHO did the actual Afghan fuck-up? My wider point - the growing instability of the world and the shift from unipolar US hegemony to multipolar Russia-Iran-China - is the true issue here.

The bigger picture is that Trump, if he gets in will do his, "I just want them to stop fighting" so he will pull support for Ukraine, Israel and quite possibly NATO.

And yes it DOES matter who did the deal, the deal ignore a government and negotiated with a terrorist organisation, basically handed them a country.

Llttledrummergirl · 02/10/2024 08:39

@GiveMeSpanakopita you being given facts to teach you that the bollocks you spouted was wrong, is not sowing discord. Completely the opposite in fact.

You regurgitating lies that support a false narrative is what can cause discord. You went from lying, to who cares about truth when it doesn't agree with you.

Llttledrummergirl · 02/10/2024 08:35

If Trump said it, it must be true! HmmConfused

He's an idiot that lies to feel important, I would automatically think the opposite now he's said it.

GiveMeSpanakopita · 02/10/2024 08:33

Wallaw · 02/10/2024 08:27

Uh, yeah, @GiveMeSpanakopita. You do understand that the withdrawal was negotiated by Mike Pompeo under Trump, right?

See, this is exactly what I meant by sowing discord.

Instead of looking at the bigger picture - the growing instability of the world and the shift from unipolar US hegemony to multipolar Russia-Iran-China - I've got PPs nitpicking on tiny irrelevant gotchas according to their own personal political biases.

This is why so many of us can no longer open our eyes to see what's actually going on on a global level. Social media has shrunk our perspective and locked us in tiny bias-bubbles so tight that it's actually breaking down our ability to think critically and strategically.

Who cares WHO did the actual Afghan fuck-up? My wider point - the growing instability of the world and the shift from unipolar US hegemony to multipolar Russia-Iran-China - is the true issue here.

Fingeronthebutton · 02/10/2024 08:30

In the 1980s my very close friend was a submariner on one of our nuclear subs.
In that 10 year time span that sub went to red alert 8 times.
why do you think the enemy backed off.

PaydayJay · 02/10/2024 08:28

If neighbours were fighting in the street and you loaned your baseball bat to one of them, would the person who got hit consider you their enemy?
The West is generating enemies far faster than it is training armies or manufacturing munitions.
I don't know if we are on the brink, but WW3 isn't getting less likely by the day.

Wallaw · 02/10/2024 08:27

sashh · 02/10/2024 08:22

You blame Biden for Afghanistan?

The Trump administration did a deal with the Taliban, they excluded the actual Afghan government and signed a deal telling the government to release 5000 Taliban prisoners.

Uh, yeah, @GiveMeSpanakopita. You do understand that the withdrawal was negotiated by Mike Pompeo under Trump, right?

OneRarelySeesABrazierTheseDays · 02/10/2024 08:24

Whitenoise1 · 01/10/2024 23:58

Am I the only one who feels the UK is vulnerable due to supplying weapons to both Ukraine & Israel?

Yanbu
I did not vote for the UK support this war.

sashh · 02/10/2024 08:22

GiveMeSpanakopita · 02/10/2024 07:52

Further to my last comment. I would add that from the Iranian perspective, now is the perfect time to be starting something.

Between 1945 and 2008, the US acted as the police force of the world. It was dragged rather reluctantly into this role (because for most of its history the US has been protectionist and inward-looking) but did the job fairly well leading to decades of relative global stability.

Obama return the US to its more protectionist and inward looking foreign policy. Trump changed this up a bit, in that he sought to use an iron fist in velvet glove style of diplomacy (or threats, depending on your perspective) rather than force to keep global peace, with mixed but on the whole temporarily positive results. Biden returned to the Obama-style protectionist foreign policy, but did so very clumsily (see: Afghanistan), leading to further ME instability.

Ever get the sense that the world is generally less stable than it was in the 2000s? Yeah, there's a reason for that.

Now, from the POV of Iran Russia and China, the American policeman is asleep at the helm. Like the drunken leaders of the dying USSR, Biden is demented and his role is being done by his family and a military clique, who reputedly do not sing from the same hymnsheet. So now's a great time for the new multipolar superpower of Iran, China and Russia to be starting military shit - which they all are.

Couple this with widespread online disinformation and sowing of discord amongst the once culturlaly stable nations of Western Europe, and I believe our children and certainly our grandchildren will live in a time of declining wealth, greater poverty and war for resources. This has already begun, as we all know if we open our eyes and look around.

Personally I got my kids learning Mandarin and Arabic 8 years ago. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em and we all need to look after our own.

You blame Biden for Afghanistan?

The Trump administration did a deal with the Taliban, they excluded the actual Afghan government and signed a deal telling the government to release 5000 Taliban prisoners.

Whitenoise1 · 02/10/2024 08:21

GiveMeSpanakopita · 02/10/2024 08:19

Oh yeah, man. Oil prices.

We don't just use 'quite a lot' of oil - our entire way of life is dependent on it. Importing the food and goods we rely on, our energy networks, real infrastructure, businesses, food, healthcare...

The 2022 cost of living crisis was caused by commodity prices spiking in response to Ukraine invasion. If the ME goes up in flames, what'll happen to oil prices will make that so called 'cost of living crisis' look like a five-star stay in the Maldives.

A lot of western european countries and US will suffer big time. Germany in particular will be cooked.

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Yes the prices spiked & never came back down to the pre Ukraine war prices.. Air fares will also soar.

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GiveMeSpanakopita · 02/10/2024 08:19

LovingCritic · 02/10/2024 08:08

Not ww3, but a serious conflict in the Middle East which could have worldwide consequences.

Oil prices could shoot up, and we still use a lot of oil, plus the very real prospect of terrorist activity.

Oh yeah, man. Oil prices.

We don't just use 'quite a lot' of oil - our entire way of life is dependent on it. Importing the food and goods we rely on, our energy networks, real infrastructure, businesses, food, healthcare...

The 2022 cost of living crisis was caused by commodity prices spiking in response to Ukraine invasion. If the ME goes up in flames, what'll happen to oil prices will make that so called 'cost of living crisis' look like a five-star stay in the Maldives.

A lot of western european countries and US will suffer big time. Germany in particular will be cooked.

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