Starmer son finds a quiet place to study for GCSEs

lol. Yes it was just a room, and not a flat. How Ill informed.

Seems like a witch hunt.

Isn't there any better news than child uses room to revise?

I understand that otherwise renting that room may have cost £20,000 but was that put to Starmer at the time?

Keir and children didn't live in a 2 bed on the 10th floor of a tower block before they moved to NO10. Pretty sure they would have had a room at home their son could study in.

Sorry, saw it’s been mentioned. I’m reading the thread backwards

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/09/cabinet-minister-robert-jenrick-visited-his-parents-during-covid-19-lockdown Is that Jenrick who broke Covid rules to go to his second home?

Yes, as would your bank, this is real corruption, this man in a few weeks could be Leader of the opposition and potentially PM.
Badenoch took £10,000 from the chair of a climate denial group but at least we know where this came from.

Taking gifts and declaring them on the members register, might be unwise but it is far from corrupt.

We all know about it, its transparent, stupid but thats a different matter.

Not with posters on here.

Bit like the poster telling us "How can Starmer sleep when pensioners will die of the cold"

Same poster poo hoo'ed the deaths of 14000 patients, mostly elderly who died because of poor AE treatment.

The outrage is real, I can assure you.

No they wouldn't no one is bring up Jenrik receiving gifts of £75000.00 for his Tory leadership bid, from a non traceable off shore BVI account.... could be from anyone.

But thats all ok.

and he has called out Starmer on receiving gifts and saying he wouldn't do it! so its current and relevant but who criticising Labour, are equally scarthing of Jenrik?

At least we know who is giving gifts to Labour as they are telling us all, hence the faux outrage.

Past vs present.

Ownership vs deflection.

Tories shut down all the libraries.

It was all sticky taped together soundbites like my father was a toolmaker and people bought it as if it meant anything

The reality is image cultivation and freebies, power and pretty much laughing at anyone who has questioned this

Bad excuses and bad lies

At least it's coming back to bite. A year ago it was 'boring' now it's 'Liar'

They can try to spin boring to 'adults' nonsense. Liar - nope

That’s certainly representative of my view.

If this were a Tory taking all these backhanders and freebies Labour would be going crazy shouting jobs for the boys, Tory Sleaze, corruption, old boys network etc. Yet here is Starmer taking tens of thousand of freebies, he's no different to any of the others. A pure 100% hippocrite.

It was wrong when Johnson thought the rules (or more accurately the spirit) didn't really apply to him and it was equally wrong and also stupid of Starmer to accept these kind of freebies . He doesn't even have the excuse of not having the money to put his own hand into his pocket like the rest of us.

I actually agree with you. It was stupid and naive and I’m furious about it. But nonetheless it is within current rules and he did declare it. It’s only because they declared it all that we even know about it. So please berate them - because it’s not just Starmer - all you like for taking donations but accusations of deception are unwarranted.

By the way, I haven’t minimised any of it as a “mate’s spare room”, nonetheless using an empty flat is in no way the same as being given thousands of £.

Yes I’m surprised at that, reminds me of the Harry and Megan threads, no matter what thy do someone defends it.

im fairly sure the posters defending it were first in line attacking when Boris had his hand out and was lying. But yet it’s ok for keir. Nah I don’t think so.

im stunned though, genuinely, I honestly thought him and raynor wouldn’t do this , I can’t beleive they’ve done it so so quickly and for so much money. Then hes lied through his teeth to cover it, up, and used his own kid too.

what is it someone said in the run up to the election. Kier has no strategy, he just really wants to be prime minister. I suspect that’s true. 5 years in office and he can fuck off out of it.

Good old Starmer.

Do as I say, not do as I do.

Copper-plated, ocean-going hypocrite.

There are several posters on here who will defend him to the hilt, irrespective.

Re. voting /not voting - I have to vote for someone because one year I didn't and my door bell was rung 13 times by people telling me to get out and vote - that's only reason I.ve voted the last few years! The hangers on can check on voting day who has voted and who has not!

Yes it has, he said it was for his son. But he had it well after GCSE’s.,so a blatant lie. He was also filmed in it twice and lied it was his own home.

Oh come on Blossom, minimising it as "his mates spare room" its beneath you. Its a premium property in a premium location with a very high rental value as Starmer plainly knew when he logged it as value 20k. It was for six/seven weeks including several weeks after the all GCSEs had finished!

Read @Portalsalways post upthread - its spot on about the rules when engaging with public figures and contracts. I have to log every tiny "gift" of entertainment I pay for when any level of public official is involved. The odd coffee is just about the limit due to the risk not just of corruption but public trust being at risk.

Starmer used to run a government agency - the idea that he is ignorant about both the letter and the spirit of these rules is absurd. In some cases he was responsible for prosecuting the offenders.
Its also nonsense that random peers, MPs etc get passes to No 10. Planned visitors go on a day list for a specific time and recieve a temporary pass and need to be escorted. To get a regular pass you need to be approved as a regular access user working in the building. So what was Alli's regular job in Downing Street which required a regular pass?

It was wrong when Johnson thought the rules (or more accurately the spirit) didn't really apply to him and it was equally wrong and also stupid of Starmer to accept these kind of freebies . He doesn't even have the excuse of not having the money to put his own hand into his pocket like the rest of us.

I actually it was me that you ‘corrected’ with your patronising eye roll.

You corrected a type! Well done you! And you actually didn’t address the point.

He wouldn’t have been offered that flat if he wasn’t the leader of the opposition. You read the whole post ignored it and then, instead of wondering ‘clearly he was the leader of the opposition, could that be a typo?’ You jumped in with ‘haha something I can say you are wrong on’

The pass does matter. Because it’s not given to anyone. He has been granted access whilst giving gifts. To many Labour MPs. Pretending he is just doing his mates a favour is ridiculous.

If you work on government contracts, you can’t accept gifts at all from clients or suppliers, certainly not gifts of any great value. There’s also tax implications on any sort of benefit in kind.

and KS is saying it was for his son so he can use the ‘I am not discussing my children with the press’ line that he loves. When in actual fact it wasn’t just his son. Who moves their 16 year old to flat further away from school, to live on their own during GCSEs? No one.

But if he had wanted to, given all the banging on about shit and corrupt the Tories are, he could have paid for it himself.

I agree, Blossom.

This issue (& others), was thoroughly aired in last week's Question Time. If you didn't see it, it's worth watching. I was particularly impressed by Tim Farron.