Help protect children from gaming harms.

Take our survey

Please or to access all these features

Politics

Anyone feeling slightly uncomfortable with the scale of the sentencing after the riots?

362 replies

TiredWife · 14/08/2024 17:51

Firstly, in no way do I support the disgusting, racist behaviour we've seen over the last couple of weeks, and I fully believe the major perpetrators need to be found and punished.

Given his background Starmer has obviously been able to pull lots of strings to process a huge volume of offenders through the courts, and there is clearly a directive to name and shame in the media to send the clear message that this sort of behaviour will not be tolerated. All good, and in the past I would have been firmly in support of this.

However there's something about the scale and speed of the court response which is making me uncomfortable. It feels as if they are highlighting specific cases to 'send a message' and it doesn't seem consistent with how the police and courts have handled previous similar cases.

So for instance an 18 year old has just been sentenced to 26 weeks in a young offender institution for 'possession of a bladed article in a public place'. I live near a London suburb and I reckon about a third of men out on the streets on a Saturday night would fall foul of this! But the police seem reluctant to stop them, let alone charge them?

Similarly the 53 year old woman, first offender, jailed for 15 months over Facebook hate post. Again, I don't condone what she did, but when you look at all the hate that women get online, or the death threats sent to JKR or MPs, there are few instances of people being jailed in the same way?

Justice needs to be applied fairly and consistently, across all groups, but this feels like a response at a level which cannot be maintained/applied across the board? Is that fair?

OP posts:
Thread gallery
9
EllenLRipley · 14/08/2024 18:08

There are extensive threads comparing specific judges sentencing on these crimes vs child rape/abuse/DV/Images of child abuse (many where recent immigrants have committed the crimes) and it is very shocking and will fuel ill feeling in areas that have already ensuring grooming scandals etc like Oldham/Rochdale.

Flyhigher · 14/08/2024 18:07

It's the right thing to do.
They need a clear message.

LiterallyOnFire · 14/08/2024 18:06

GoTigers · 14/08/2024 18:06

I think the government have played an absolute blinder.

Minimal police reaction to the riots, get the bastards nicked, charged and in court ASAP. Name and shame them, release their deserved sentences and watch their mates crawl back to their sewers.

Very well handled.

Yes, but then you compare sentences to - say - those handed down for child sex abuse image offences and you have to wince a bit.

GoTigers · 14/08/2024 18:06

I think the government have played an absolute blinder.

Minimal police reaction to the riots, get the bastards nicked, charged and in court ASAP. Name and shame them, release their deserved sentences and watch their mates crawl back to their sewers.

Very well handled.

Noname99 · 14/08/2024 18:05

It’s fucking outrageous. A 13 year old girl and two 12 year old boys have been charged but all the fawning labour supporters on here are defending it because their lord and master can do no wrong. It’s absolutely horrifying

Hatty65 · 14/08/2024 18:05

Nope. Grateful that something serious has been done about racist thugs for once. No sympathy and I'm good with it.

pipindressup · 14/08/2024 18:04

It sends out a nice clear message that this kind of behaviour will not be tolerated.
To be honest I have been impressed by this.
They got what they deserved.
Where they got the prison space I do not know.

Snacksgalore · 14/08/2024 18:04

It seems to inline with what happened after 2011 riots. I’m a supporte if Starmer but I don’t think anything that is happening here is unique.

AgnesX · 14/08/2024 18:04

Not remotely, serves them right. Hopefully it'll put the skids under some of the malicious shite spouted on social media and the other idiots that think participating in a riot is clever.

JamSandle · 14/08/2024 18:02

I agree. It does seem too much considering how violence in other areas seems to just run rampant.

Glitterbiscuits · 14/08/2024 18:01

I can see your point but I think 'sending a message' is probably a good idea.
No idea how they will squeeze people in the prisons though.

We absolutely cannot have the UK descending to the depths of racist ignorance, violence and vandalism we say in so many areas.

I'm white, I'm fine but you only had to look at Mumsnet to read of stories of others who were too scared to go to work. It was sickening.

If the prison sentences help people feel safer then that's fine with me.

coldcallerbaiter · 14/08/2024 18:01

They need to send a message to all criminals and it should be a sliding scale of seriousness. For example women being harassed on public transport is in the news today. People clearing shelves in shops etc Why so soft? I think a lot is down to sitting ducks, filmed or witnessed and easily arrested.

Swipe left for the next trending thread