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Many of the 71% of people who share your abortion views might not want legislation to enforce it on others though, which makes them pro-choice. That’s the difference. It will be interesting to see what happens in the states who have put the issue onto the ballot. Hopefully people will be given the ability to make their own choice based on personal situation and medical needs and not be forced to live out another person’s religious faith. It’s your faith and it’s up to you personally to live it.

Evangelical means they share the good news as instructed in the Great Commission. As in the last commandment Christ gave before He ascended to Heaven.

As far as why abortion is an important issue... Those lives were created by God. And we see examples in the old testament where Israel is apostate, worshipping other gods, and sacrificing their children to them... the most abhorrent (correct usage of this word btw) event in the Bible. When abortion is overused for the wrong reasons, it is just as abhorrent. That's why we Christians care so much. We also care about the other the orphan, the widow, the poor, and the foreigner. 95% of practicing Christians give to the causes and others. More than any other group or demographic of people. Probably worth a Google.

You should read Leviticus Ch. 20 then. Where Israel sacrificed their children to Molek. Only in today's culture some are sacrificing them in the name of sexual freedom... As some commenters in here have communicated.

As far as kindness goes. Super important in Christian faith, but part of kindness is telling the truth to someone. Jesus wasn't all roses and sunshine. In fact, to those who abused political power, he called them vipers and was very critical of them.

It's good that you are fascinated by Jesus and the Bible, but how can you not see that unborn children are the most vulnerable in all of creation?

Why do you think Christians try to minimize abortion so much? To help the unborn.

Guess autocorrect has some issues they need to work on then. 🤣

Do you even know what that means?

My views on abortion are shared by 71% of Americans. My views on faith in Christ are shared by 68% of Americans. Guess we're all abhorrent.

Interesting. I'm fascinated by the Bible and Jesus in particular. I think I've spent a lot of time unlearning what I heard about religion and finding out what's really important. And having a go at people about abortion really doesn't figure. Compassion for vulnerable people is right up there and this fuels my socialism.

I agree with you so hard. I'm as atheist as anything and always will be, but on the whole I tend to live more by the bits of the Bible that are about helping others than the bits that the evangelicals seem to enjoy.

Also seem to have missed the whole separation of church and state thing.

I think if these people want to live following the Bible they would have higher priorities than abortion. Abortion is mentioned zero times and looking after the poor, widow, orphan, foreigner crops up far more often.

I find it fascinating that certain Americans claim to be evangelical but actually seem to have missed the point so much.

I am American. Your views are still abhorrent.

How about if I make some decisions about your body and your life? Cool. Where do you want me to start?

And this is a primarily UK website so go away with your xenophobic argument.

If you'd bothered reading the article you might have learnt something but unfortunately some Americans think the world is only as big as America. There are countries all over the world who do things better than America.

Many of us don't want to be an ally of America if you reelect the orange one.

The problem is that you can advocate the Bible all you want, but ultimately it was not the historical figure of Jesus who wrote it. It has also been much edited, selectively, with parts included and left out according to the political climate of the day. Bottom line: It's just another book. You believe it's THE book because you have made that leap of faith. I haven't, and that's all there is to it. Neither of us can prove that we are wrong and that the other is right. So you live your life by your Bible, and I find my moral compass elsewhere.

Interestingly, our bubble study group

If Freud lived today he'd probably say that sometimes a typo can actually reveal a subconscious truth, one the poster is unable to face. See; Freudian slip.

If that's what you got it from reading the Bible, consider looking again. The OT details how people are prone to making mistakes and need forgiveness, which is the the point of the coming Messiah (anointed, as in meant for a particular purpose).

The NT records Jesus' life and the life of his disciples (students/followers). Jesus most certainly didn't maintain the political agenda of his day. In fact, many of his words and actions were in direct opposition to them (Pharisees and Sadducees, religious leaders). He called them vipers and pointed out how those leaders didn't fulfill their duty to their people, but rather used their position and authority to make life better for themselves... And how that hypocrisy discouraged faith.

Jesus set the record straight on God's goodness by giving his very life to accomplish what the law and old testament leaders could not. To atone for our mistakes, and show what it means to love our neighbor.

Interestingly, our bible study group just spent some time thinking about that this week. In the parable of the good Samaritan, Jesus teaches a legal expert that a neighbor is one who has compassion on another. What I got out of it was who a neighbor is. I used to have a silly definition in my mind based on proximity. But the Samaritan and the Jew he helped would have been considered foreigners to each other, that didn't even share the same faith in God. Really opened my eyes to how I should view the rest of the world.

And while I think we both enjoy a bit of back and forth (otherwise why would we spend our time on these forums), there are more important truths in life. And based on Christ's words and actions, I have put my faith in Him, because He is good and there is no falseness in Him.

I'm sorry for the political wing nuts being funded from the US. Didn't realize that was happening. I can tell you I don't support that though, and I will pay attention to those organizations that are using abortion for political leverage, and steer clear of them. Thanks for the conversation. 😉

Yet you did reply, only in order to evade points as you have done with others. You just aren't good at debate, Wabash. Sorry, but that's reality. Most of your posts make little to no sense. You, like a lot of Americans, make decisions about where you stand on issues based purely on your emotions. Intellect and reason don't factor in to it. That why Trumpism exists and that's why loony fundamentalist Christianity has such a hold over American politics.

The Bible is a book written by people, for people, in order to maintain the political agenda of the day. Therefore anything written in it is going to be biased. I have in fact read the Bible as well as the books of other religions, and I'm still an atheist. It is as valid a position as your Christianity is, because ultimately both positions are a matter of belief rather than fact.

And when there is a choice to be made between protecting a woman who is already alive in this world and a potential child who is not, I choose the life that is already here. Simple as that.

By the way, the reason women on this thread find your point of view upsetting is that we have militant forced birthers funded by the US forced birth movement operating in the UK. They harrass women going into abortion clinics daily. If you guys would kindly stop funding our forced birther wingnuts, we'd be all good.

So, what you're saying is that protecting your sex life is more important than protecting unborn children?

Clearly you don't know anything about Christ. You probably know a lot about the church being sinful. But before you cement your opinion that God doesn't exist, you should learn more about the man Jesus. Try starting with Galatians 5:22-23, and you'll get a sense of His character. All is fundamental Christians get it wrong every day, but He didn't... And He is the good in the good news of the gospel.

More lame word salad used to evade answering a question.
If you had the courage of your convictions you'd state flat out that you are opposed to abortion for any reason, in any circumstances. You'd state that you want forced birth to be the law of the land.
You do not have the courage of those convictions because even you have enough sense to suspect they might be reflective of your personal self-delusions and ignorance on the subject of pregnancy and birth.

I don't worship anything at all. What is it that you think I worship?

What I tell my daughter is that relationships are auditions for spending the rest of your life with someone. And if a guy can't control himself now, he's going to have a hard time controlling himself when married... So part of what you should look for now is a guy that will wait for you, because of he's willing to do that now, he is probably going to remain faithful.

Ah, OK. Full on fundamentalist Christian no sex before marriage believer who thinks that if you wait, men won't cheat. Thank you for confirming that I am not debating with a rational human being here. It's actually quite scary, because your assumption is that your daughters won't want to have sex. Actually, enjoying sex is a healthy, natural thing to do for both men and women.

Also hey, your daughters might turn out to be gay...

There's good data available from many Western European countries which have low abortion rates, so that's just an unwillingness on your part to accept that there are places which are getting it right.

They weren't worthy of a reply. Won't make that mistake twice though.

And that explains why you worship what you worship.

Actually I don't think that. Like I said, I'm not anti -abortion. If you understood what I've said, it's that abortion is overused. I can't speak to all women. I wouldn't even if I could.

What I tell my daughter is that relationships are auditions for spending the rest of your life with someone. And if a guy can't control himself now, he's going to have a hard time controlling himself when married... So part of what you should look for now is a guy that will wait for you, because of he's willing to do that now, he is probably going to remain faithful.

As for rape and incest, I support abortion in those circumstances. I support medically necessary abortions. I don't support abortion outside of that.

As for the data on abortion across the globe. I'm not trying to sound like I'm avoiding that information, but I don't trust it. Even here in the US, we don't have good data... And I really didn't think Albania, Turkey, Algeria, and Croatia are truly in the top 5 for abortion rates. I think that's just bad data. So I don't know if we're there yet on looking at other nations to learn lessons from them.

And while I hope that abortion is decriminalized in more nations, I also know that those decisions are not even remotely in my realm of influence. So I'm not going to waste time thinking about it.