Farmers who voted for Brexit- views now?

Flyhigher · 2024-07-06T09:57:47+00:00

Any farmers that voted for Brexit - what do you think now? Again - genuinely interested.

TizerorFizz · 30/11/2024 23:03

The problems are rising costs and limited income from sales. We import cheap food and don’t want to pay for home produced food. So prices for produce are squeezed. The returns on the value of the farms isn’t great. The value was no IHT.

EasternStandard · 30/11/2024 19:48

It does seem that farmers are having tougher times in a fair few countries

With protests etc in response

I wonder if there's common factors, there likely are but I haven't thought it through

derxa · 30/11/2024 19:37

KitKatChunki · 30/11/2024 18:33

Not sure if you mean
"What? Farmers love Reform?" or
"Which farmers love Reform?"
I was responding to @Kendodd as I also noticed a large amount in comments sections and in various Fail papers saying it was the only viable party for farmers at the last election.
As a side note I notice Mr Phil Spencer's farmer parents left £18 mil to be split in their Will without IHT. Poor bunch these farmers.

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I don’t think farmers have faith in any particular party at the moment. Yes all farmers have £18 million to pass on 🙄

HappiestSleeping · 30/11/2024 19:34

Lifeglowup · 30/11/2024 18:36

I was anti Brexit and think it was a big mistake. I fixed my mortgage for a signifigant time after Brexit as I knew it would negatively effect the economy. However I don’t think it’s fair to claim the current situation on Brexit alone as the policy of austerity, Covid, Ukraine war and Truss budget all have had their parts to play in where we arw now.

I’m not a farmer.

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Agreed. That's why I didn't claim that the current situation is due to Brexshit alone.

I just said that it was a contributory factor and can't be excluded.

Grantanow · 30/11/2024 19:23

Just because they're farmers doesn't mean they are competent to vote in referendums!

privatenonamegiven · 30/11/2024 18:42

@Lifeglowup agree it certainty isn't all down to Brexit. However, anyone who tries to discuss the current situation without recognition of Brexit (much of the media do this, and many of members of parliament) is being unreasonable. The situation we are in has been made much much worse by Brexit and denying that is foolish.

Lifeglowup · 30/11/2024 18:36

HappiestSleeping · 16/11/2024 19:58

I'm not sure that it's quite true to say sod all to do with Brexit. There is no direct causal factor, however Brexit did cause the economy to tank, in conjunction with the Trussterfuck, which means less revenue for the government, and so tax rises mean more revenue for the government. It is a tenuous link I grant you.

Also, Brexit did cause a very unstable government with no continuity in the cabinet and so a revolving door of ministers and no implemented plans.

Not that I think the Labour Party will solve it all, but at least they are nailing their colours to the mast and will be judged as such.

It is alla complete fuster cluck really.

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I was anti Brexit and think it was a big mistake. I fixed my mortgage for a signifigant time after Brexit as I knew it would negatively effect the economy. However I don’t think it’s fair to claim the current situation on Brexit alone as the policy of austerity, Covid, Ukraine war and Truss budget all have had their parts to play in where we arw now.

I’m not a farmer.

KitKatChunki · 30/11/2024 18:33

derxa · 30/11/2024 18:27

What farmers love Reform?

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Not sure if you mean
"What? Farmers love Reform?" or
"Which farmers love Reform?"
I was responding to @Kendodd as I also noticed a large amount in comments sections and in various Fail papers saying it was the only viable party for farmers at the last election.
As a side note I notice Mr Phil Spencer's farmer parents left £18 mil to be split in their Will without IHT. Poor bunch these farmers.

derxa · 30/11/2024 18:27

KitKatChunki · 30/11/2024 18:23

It is quite remarkable that the farmers love Reform, seemingly forgetting what Farage promised them with Brexit. They're happy to blame everyone else for that but not the guy who made them vote for it and ran away...

What farmers love Reform?

KitKatChunki · 30/11/2024 18:23

It is quite remarkable that the farmers love Reform, seemingly forgetting what Farage promised them with Brexit. They're happy to blame everyone else for that but not the guy who made them vote for it and ran away...

EasternStandard · 30/11/2024 16:02

I think it would be fair to say that a high percentage of farmers (and other business owners) are rather pissed off with the labour government.

There are hopeful signs however. Let's see what tomorrow brings!

@notanothernamechange24 what are the hopeful signs?

EasternStandard · 30/11/2024 15:55

Kendodd · 30/11/2024 12:16

I suspect in the next election farmers will have massive great 'Reform' signs on their land.

Labour have a fair few rural MPs, they might lose those

AnotherEmma · 30/11/2024 13:58

Gettoachiro · 25/11/2024 22:27

I voted leave and I'd vote leave again tomorrow. If you are stupid enough to have wanted to stay, to have even less of a say over who governs you than you do now, then good for you!

The bigger the organisation in charge of us, the less say you have as individuals.

How poorly it has been implemented is another matter and one of the problems since, along with stupid losers who hated the result and have moaned, griped, grimaced and put everything down since.

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Ah, always helpful in a debate to call people stupid because they disagree with you

BurntBroccoli · 30/11/2024 13:50

Kendodd · 30/11/2024 12:16

I suspect in the next election farmers will have massive great 'Reform' signs on their land.

What a miserable thought 😞

Kendodd · 30/11/2024 12:16

I suspect in the next election farmers will have massive great 'Reform' signs on their land.

TizerorFizz · 30/11/2024 09:15

Well of course. The EU negotiates. It’s better at it than the Brits!

Clavinova · 29/11/2024 19:27

We were a major player and now we are insignificant

I wonder how Macron and Barnier feel after this slap down from the Brazilian President;

France does not get to decide whether a free trade deal between the EU and South America's Mercosur bloc goes ahead - only Brussels does, Brazilian President [Lula] said on Wednesday.

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20241127-brussels-not-paris-will-decide-eu-mercosur-trade-deal-lula

Clavinova · 29/11/2024 19:18

BurntBroccoli · 28/11/2024 20:46

Yep most of them did vote for Brexit and couldn't wait!

thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/are-you-ready-for-brexit.302351/

I've just looked through a few pages of your link and would say the views are pretty mixed - I don't think you can draw conclusions either way:

https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/are-you-ready-for-brexit.302351/page-5
https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/are-you-ready-for-brexit.302351/page-7

TizerorFizz · 29/11/2024 00:11

It was extraordinarily flawed thinking to turn away from subsidies and a huge market in the doorstep.

BurntBroccoli · 28/11/2024 20:46

Yep most of them did vote for Brexit and couldn't wait!

thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/are-you-ready-for-brexit.302351/

KitKatChunki · 28/11/2024 16:50

From what I see in the comments section of our local papers, no farmers now admit to voting for Brexit. We all just imagined the large signs in every field and them appearing all over the TV and radio spouting how important it was to leave the EU.

BlastedPimples · 28/11/2024 16:28

@Gettoachiro how on earth do you think a country prospers? Through trade.

And by leaving the EU, we shot oursellves in the foot. We were a major player and now we are insignificant.

And they wonder why people call leave voters thick.

CherryFlan · 28/11/2024 16:19

Theunamedcat · 27/11/2024 20:35

It wasn't Teresa may who triggered it Cameroon did then quit and there were other ways to go the electorate woupd have calmed down had they done the talking to the EU first they chose to fuck us over on an advisory referendum and broke trust with the public

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It was the voters who fucked us over. The very point of a referendum is to pass the decision to the public. (And the strongest argument against referendums is that the public is too ignorant to make such decisions).

But if you're given the right to participate in decision making and you exercise that right then the decision you take is your responsibility.

(By the way, it is impossible for any referendum to be legally binding in our system. Parliament is always supreme, not the electorate. But there was no doubt that it was politically binding, and that was clear from the leaflet circulated by the government before the vote - see attached.)

Farmers who voted for Brexit- views now?

Beekeepingmum · 27/11/2024 23:55

CherryFlan · 16/11/2024 19:49

Four months of tumbleweed.

I can't decide whether
a) no farmers voted to leave, or
b) they're too embarrassed to discuss it.

It's a real conundrum

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You can't ask questions to farmers in July. The farmers were out farming not looking at Mumsnet.

Gettoachiro · 27/11/2024 22:40

BlastedPimples · 26/11/2024 05:31

@Gettoachiro duh. Every country is subject to trade rules. Apart from embargoed countries like Iran, North Korea etc. I'm

We are under WTO trade rules. Now, what influence do you imagine the U.K. has there? The same as every other member. There is no escaping it. It's simply not possible to behave like a rogue trading nation and expect trading success.

As part of the EU, we had a huge influence there.

We've just voted for economic sanctions on ourselves. So so so stupid. And now we are even more vulnerable if Trump imposes tariffs.

And yeah, people complain about the 2016 vote because it was full of lies. And the economic damage is pretty awful to the U.K.

Duh. I said nothing about trade rules.