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Nigel Farage will be the next Conservative leader?

92 replies

Squareplate · 05/07/2024 09:53

I saw one article suggesting, now he has a seat, he will defect to become Tory leader, and thought it was a joke, but actually there are lots of mainstream media suggesting the same thing.

Tory members will love it and if he'd been insitu yesterday, they may well have won?

For me it's an appalling thought, but it feels scarily possible?

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HappiestSleeping · 05/07/2024 11:53

urbanbuddha · 05/07/2024 10:18

I doubt he’ll survive 5 years in the Commons - too many bars.

Edited

Too much proper work you mean? He might actually have to do something now, although he didn't when he was an MEP.

Squareplate · 05/07/2024 11:51

I'm not at all saying I like the idea BTW, just that I can see it happening.

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Squareplate · 05/07/2024 11:50

Phoebefail · 05/07/2024 11:39

A nonsensical idea as far as I am concerned. If he did join the Conservatives many of the ordinary members such as us, and MPs would leave and probably join SDL or start a new Party. He would be left with less than half a Party.

But that's all they've got now. A fresh start, building a new more right leaning party, which appears to be what the members want?

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Abhannmor · 05/07/2024 11:48

I'm hoping it is Irritable Duncan Syndrome. It would be a daily reminder to Starmer of his vicious stupidity in deselecting Faiza Shaheen.

Phoebefail · 05/07/2024 11:39

A nonsensical idea as far as I am concerned. If he did join the Conservatives many of the ordinary members such as us, and MPs would leave and probably join SDL or start a new Party. He would be left with less than half a Party.

Chartreux · 05/07/2024 11:26

I can't see it, bearing in mind that it's Conservative MPs and party members who choose the leader. There are too many who will blame him for yesterday's losses, plus a faction who simply do not want the party to lurch to the right. I also suspect that he just hasn't got it in him to put in the necessary work.

Mrsdyna · 05/07/2024 11:02

keyboardingtoday · 05/07/2024 10:03

I don't know if he will be the next leader but he did say in 2023 that he would be Tory leader 'by 2026' so I would imagine that's the game plan. Logically, it makes sense for Reform to join the Conservatives.

Hello, have you got a link to where he said this?

Oldcroneandthreewitches · 05/07/2024 11:01

No Kemi will be the next leader of the Tory’s. I’d vote for her

Spirallingdownwards · 05/07/2024 11:00

ageratum1 · 05/07/2024 10:03

...to be Conservative leader behind kemi badenoch, priti Patel and Tom T ( can't spell his surname) I would argue he is more effective and more charismatic than any of them.

I would argue he is not effective nor charismatic but is a smarmy little chancery.

OP I think if he were to defect to the Tories it would basically kill the party off for good rather than revive it! Tories will not love it nor the connotations association with him would bring.

MsJinks · 05/07/2024 10:59

Think conservatives really need to take a minute to consider whether they want to go right or centrist - if they go right then they’re head to head with Farage and possibly would combine forces before next election. If they go centrist then some of the MPs may defect to Reform.
I have no faith in Farage (or his current party) being capable of running a country and I think ultimately enough of U.K. would recognise that concern, but either of above scenarios may put more capable folk in the party that could look as if they’d have a reasonable shot.
I must say I didn’t like that statement of going after labour now they’ve done the Tories - where instead are the policies that make them better? It was an odd and creepy statement imo.
I think if Tories do go right they will see how that works first before considering any joining with reform - basically Farage won’t be leader of Tories now, if ever.
Another point is it’s probably a lot less profitable for him than heading up a political company for now and Farage isn’t shy or slow at ensuring his position works for him financially.

IfImOnFire · 05/07/2024 10:57

Squareplate · 05/07/2024 10:32

I'm not sure about this narrative.

Love him or loathe him, he's achieved a lot. Some of us don't like what he's achieved, but he's has a greater impact on the country than anyone I can think of. He hasn't done that by being lazy. It might not be sitting at a desk dealing with detail work, but he must have put the hours in.

He's exploited issues like Brexit and immigration to give himself leverage and he has stoked up ugly division and prejudice to further himself. He has certainly been influential, but I think people really overestimate him and give him a lot of undeserved credit.

bergamotorange · 05/07/2024 10:56

I think it is a great idea if the Conservatives want to lose even more blue wall seats to the Lib Dems.

The issue is there is no easy answer for the Conservatives.

Do people really think that the voters that gave Cameron the lead in 2010 and then a majority in 2015 would happily trot behind Farage - can you really not see the difference between these two politicians?

Nesbi · 05/07/2024 10:53

The Conservative Party need to have a serious conversation around where their future lies, and whether they are able to effectively represent a broad coalition of thought.

The right wing of the part of very noisy, and they will want you to believe that the lesson from this election is to move further to the right. That is always the lesson they seem to take from everything though, and it ignores the fact that there are a lot of people in the country who would have voted for an effective Tory party if they were more measured and centrist, but have instead felt forced to vote for the Lib Dem’s or Labour. Those voters are never going to return if the party pitches ever further to the right.

So, who will the party listen to, and what lesson will they take away. If they do lurch right, will the more moderate elements of the party be able to stomach it, or will they decide that the Tory party is no longer for them either?

Squareplate · 05/07/2024 10:48

ageratum1 · 05/07/2024 10:45

Hmm not sure.He achieved Brexit without even being in parliament.

Yes, I think (even) more exposure could make him more popular. Him giving Starmer hard time in parliament (where he's likely to win) plus merging the Reform and Conservative votes, would make them unbeatable next time round?

I mean, it's likely to be a disaster for the country, but for the Conservative party...?

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Squareplate · 05/07/2024 10:46

Schmoana · 05/07/2024 10:44

Absolutely no chance!

All Farage does is spout idealistic populist nonsense, saying he will do things that are not possible but that will please those who don’t know any better, in the safe knowledge that he won’t have to deliver because he won’t be in charge.

He is a divisive, racist, misogynistic arse.

Rather like Boris....?

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HungryLittleCrocodile · 05/07/2024 10:45

Not gonna happen.

ageratum1 · 05/07/2024 10:45

TheDarkMonarch · 05/07/2024 10:06

I'm at the stage now where I think he needs brining out into the open. Let's see him in the light - there is no good letting him stay in the dark where people can project onto him all kinds of hopes and fears.

Flush him out and let's see what he's really made of.

(I suspect just hot air and whinging)

Hmm not sure.He achieved Brexit without even being in parliament.

Schmoana · 05/07/2024 10:44

Absolutely no chance!

All Farage does is spout idealistic populist nonsense, saying he will do things that are not possible but that will please those who don’t know any better, in the safe knowledge that he won’t have to deliver because he won’t be in charge.

He is a divisive, racist, misogynistic arse.

hattie43 · 05/07/2024 10:44

We need a definitive left and a definitive right , all mainstream parties hovering in the middle leads to much swaying , defecting and uncertainty with not much radical change either way .

Topseyt123 · 05/07/2024 10:40

I really hope this doesn't happen, but fear it is possible. With that arsehole Farage, anything seems possible.

Westfacing · 05/07/2024 10:35

Boris Johnson is another one who wouldn't want the hard work that being Opposition leader would entail.

He couldn't even discipline himself with an 80 seat majority.

TheDarkMonarch · 05/07/2024 10:35

Yeah - this is what I mean.

No one knows him so they just project what they want/think onto him.

I think he's a grifter who's never done a decent days work in his life. The OP thinks he is hardworking, if not in a traditional manner.

In truth, we're probably both projecting. That's why I want him exposed and challenged so we can all see what he's actually made of.

Squareplate · 05/07/2024 10:33

Westfacing · 05/07/2024 10:31

It must take a lot of hard work to actually lead the official Opposition, especially after such a beating. Farage couldn't do it - but I put nothing past the Tory party members!

Yes, this is my concern. As a figurehead, he would do well for them, like Boris, who the members would have back like a shot, if they could.

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MiscellaneousSupportHuman · 05/07/2024 10:32

The Tory party is a divided mess that regularly turns on its leader.

I don't see why anyone would want that role.

Boris nearly pulled it off with his "back me or I'll sack you" purge, but then was such an utter bellend that he became untenable

I really don't think that the Tory party has the slightest grasp of how unappealing its petty gripes and internal squabbling makes them

Squareplate · 05/07/2024 10:32

IfImOnFire · 05/07/2024 10:26

Farage doesn't want to work, and being Tory leader would be too much effort for him. He'll do nothing for Clacton, he'll be drinking in the Commons bars and whining for the next five years without ever achieving anything, except pocketing dark money - enriching himself and making nothing any better for anyone else. If he was leading the Tories, he'd be expected to show up and he can't be bothered with that.

I'm not sure about this narrative.

Love him or loathe him, he's achieved a lot. Some of us don't like what he's achieved, but he's has a greater impact on the country than anyone I can think of. He hasn't done that by being lazy. It might not be sitting at a desk dealing with detail work, but he must have put the hours in.

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