Reform are getting a shitload of voters

There were at least 6 languages spoken in my inner London yr 7 class 36 years ago. Multiculturalism has a very long history. What about it do you think isn't working ?

Because they were fleeing a war that was on our doorstep. We needed to support the fight against a credible threat to Europe snd this was one of the ways in which we could without escalating the matter.

Its this lack of understanding and sacrificing common sense at the altar of pseudo liberalism which shows exactly why Reform are popular in standing up to this nonsense

Reform didn't get the number of seats predicted but that for a shocking amount of votes overall (if I'm reading the results right). Over 4M, more than twice as many as the Greens and also more than the Lib Dems.
I was pro Labour and voted thus so am pleased with the result, but the overall picture is concerning.

He’s actually maintained discipline within the party extremely well since the last divisive catastrophic election. It’s been quite a turn around that’s for sure.

I think you are mistaking a mild-manner and prudence for weakness but they are very different things.

Intergration doesn't work ? What do you mean ? There are 37 first languages spoken in the hospital I manage, we seem to get along fine, we enjoy each others' cultural heritage ( food religious beliefs etc). Are you telling me that is somehow a bad thing ? As I said to my Italian neighbour I don't want to live in a homogeneous society where everyone speaks the same language, pratices the same religion in the same way and eats the same food. It would massively impoverish my life.

What is it that draws you to them? Which of their policies do you like?

Well thanks to Labour winning you soon won’t be able to define what a woman is without it being a hate crime. I’ll take my chances in the 1950s

It is racist. Its about skin colour.
Ukrainians were deemed acceptable.

But after the hump of the Boomers, the birth rate is declining rapidly, and we will need immigrants to allow our society functioning properly.

Take Heathrow airport now: they are short of staff on the ground, in the catering outlets, in security, in customs, in airborne staff, etc etc. It literally cannot function properly.

Anyone with half a brain cell could see he was a front to win the election- which he didn’t do. The Tories lost. Now it’s not a fight with the Tories Labour will soon lose popular support, this will be an excuse for a vote of no confidence- he will be gone within the year

Really ? and your evidence for this is ?
My Dad was a teenager in the '50s there was a huge amount of casual violence much more than today. Is violence not violence if it is enacted on women and children behind closed doors ? I 'd rather be a woman in 2024 thanks.

Why do they love these creatures in Sunderland?

Actually it’s the realisation that multiculturalism doesn’t work (usually by people who have seen their communities decimated by immigration. By people who don’t integrate into the existing community) People are actually proud of their country, fed up of being fed nothing but revisionist lies and told self flagation is the only cure.

People with common sense. People who are fed up with the absolute bollocks that comes out of the mouths of most politicians.

And, no Reform isn’t for the “thick northerners” although that kind of hypocritical bigotry is to be expected, especially from the pseudo liberals. I have a law degree from a Russell group university, multiple professional qualifications. Many people I know with similar academic and career backgrounds, who have previously voted both Labour and Tory voted Reform this time.

I somehow think that majority will be wasted as Starmer isn’t strong enough to pull all the factions together and I can see a lot of infighting.

So how do they feel about the likes of 30p Lee, to say nothing of those people who wanted to shoot immigrants?

No idea. I assume they went with the issue that spoke to them and for young people it’s the woke stuff rather than immigration. That’s how most people vote. Look at all the women voting Labour despite their dismissive and insulting stance on women’s rights.

Looking at vote share is pretty meaningless. A hell of a lot of votes went to the Lib Dems purely because that was the best way to get or keep the Tories out of specific constituencies.

Because there is a huge number of people who will never vote Reform. The Liberal Democrat’s have done so well because of this the numbers who can never vote reform and those that won’t vote labour

and where it counts it is a landslide - Keir Starmer can pretty much get through what he likes with that number of MPs

the Liberal Democrat have a lower percentage of votes than in 2010 and 2015 but still won more than ever before

our political system has favoured two parties for years and it won’t change because those two are the ones in power

Yes but Labour have a very effective majority in Parliament now.

Keir & co can take concrete actions towards levelling up and will hopefully win voters back in the course of doing that.

It is not racist to not want this amount of immigration. There is a decline in the UK in values and safety, which is largely down to different people arriving with different values.

It is currently a huge elephant in the room that people are not willing to discuss.

British people are voicing their opinions.

Looks like they didn’t swing to Labour either

I highly doubt they will win an election in 4 years time. Their votes are largely people who won’t vote Labour but don’t want to vote tory again. Their share isn’t necessarily “I agree with reform” it’s more “I don’t want the tories”. It would take an enormous shift for them to win and that shift would have to come from Labour voters, which are less likely than tory voters.

23,000 votes to gain a labour seat
1 million to gain a Reform seat.

Not quite a landslide really when you look at the numbers!

I fucking love this website, you are all so clever and insightful. This thread reminds me of the early corona virus ones. Mumsnet has a long lens.

I truly believe we have ended up with a left-wing govt despite the electorate swinging to the right. Voters were fed up of the Conservatives not tacking migration so they ditched them in favour of Reform. Ironically this handed the seats to Labour. Funny old system. Voters were warned that voting Reform would gift the election to Labour and in doing so increase migration even further. Stop the boats? Don’t make me laugh. Sir Keir will lather himself up in goose fat and swim out to welcome them.

So how do they feel about the likes of 30p Lee, to say nothing of the candidates who want to shoot immigrants?