Reform are getting a shitload of voters

Don't be too sure that those school mock elections voters were only lured by Farage's 'anti-woke' stance. Whilst it's true that this next generation IS definitely less inclined to follow the TWAW brigade, they are also - like it or not - voting with immigration in mind.

Farage speaks in TikTok sized sound bites that work for that generation

"This is a small country and unfortunately, we just can't sustain the amount of immigration"

"Of course the NHS is breaking, there are too many people trying to access it"

"We cannot afford to build homes quickly enough to support British people because there is too much demand"

"We should be proud of our values and immigrants don't want to integrate so they are now being eroded which is a terrible shame"

All sounds 'logical' to a fourteen year old

They don't read manifestos, they watch 20 quick videos on social media and make their minds up. He knows what he is doing.

We have an ageing population and low birth rate. Increasing immigration is inevitable

it isn’t actually. Japan and China do better than the UK and do not accept immigrants. They are further along the demographic ‘disaster’ but it’s fine actually,

All Brexit did was reduce immigration from closer European countries and increase immigration from countries further away

That was probably the first time immigration was put to a direct vote: you can’t fault people for taking the only option ever offered to them. If immigration was ever put to a referendum, you know how the result would go … that’s why they don’t do this

No it doesn't. It's got nothing to do with race and more to do with numbers.

This. Tories never delivered what many of their voters wanted. Can only serve up empty promises for so long …

Given the Labour majority, he might be right to carry out his politics outside Parliament where he may have a bigger impact.

That is equally terrifying

I think the implication is more that Reform are a bunch of racists to be fair. Also, Clacton isn't in the north, so bang goes your theory.

They had a mock election at my sons school (secondary) yesterday. Having read all the policies and background for each party, Reform won by a landslide.

That's terrifying. In my DC's school they did the same and Greens won.

Nige won’t cope well with life at Westminster. He may go in all guns blazing, but give it a few months and he’ll get bored with the day-to-day routine and will start turning up less and less.

@Neurodiversitydoctor And it was announced that Istreal confiscated another 5 square miles of West Bank land yesterday.

We have an ageing population and low birth rate. Increasing immigration is inevitable. All Brexit did was reduce immigration from closer European countries and increase immigration from countries further away. All it meant is more migrants from countries further away who are less likely to return to their home country once they become older. Elderly and sick people need people to take care of them and aren't working themselves. Nigel Farage and Reform don't offer any solutions to the problems of an ageing population. All they do is simply benefit from people's frustration at stagnant wages and high cost of living and fear of people of different cultures coming over.

The Gaza situation isn't about religion. Starmmar was too slow to respond to that one. My BIL who is white and middle aged ( classic gammon if you will) has bycotted Isreali goods for years. The Palastinain situation is complex and nuanced.

@BloodyHellKenAgain I agree. I'm very concerned that 4 independents have ousted Labour in muslim constituencys on a Gaza ticket. Without getting into the rights and wrongs of the Middle East conflict, I absolutely don't agree with religion based politics and believe it's a dangerous place for the UK to go.
But will losing those seats help the main Parties to listen?
Don't hold your breath!

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I agree. I'm very concerned that 4 independents have ousted Labour in muslim constituencys on a Gaza ticket. Without getting into the rights and wrongs of the Middle East conflict, I absolutely don't agree with religion based politics and believe it's a dangerous place for the UK to go.

I realise this is a highly emotive topic with a lot of nuance. We live in a stable democracy thankfully. So can discuss our feelings freely.
I work in secondary education in a very multicultural area , I would like to reassure everyone, a bit frivolously, we barely manage to comply with department of education actual directives and GCSE board rules, we do not bow to pressure from any religious sect or cultural group.
We accidently forgot about Ramadan altogether recently despite having Muslim staff members on our senior team. Not that we do anything to acknowledge it but it meant we had too much food at lunchtime. Much recrimination about the waste ensued.
We do try to boost our GCSE results by entering children for any languages they have learnt at home, Italian and Turkish and Arabic for example. We don't teach them but we aren't above claiming credit for their passes.
Like I said nuance exists.

@Devonbabs said Its this lack of understanding and sacrificing common sense at the altar of pseudo liberalism which shows exactly why Reform are popular in standing up to this nonsense
Yep just this.
Schools are being changed by outside pressures. Girls coerced to wear hijab and give up music and choir. This happened to the Micheala School.
Many will not listen to Farage, but you should take note of Katherine Babalsingh.

This is hitting the nail on the head. But it isn't due to immigration.

@Whoooois can we stop the poor folks born here sponging 1st please. Those risking their lives on boats to get here are in a much worse position yet in our area they are the ones filling the caring jobs etc.

You are right obviously.

Possibly the Tories might move in that direction, and offer a solid small c conservative approach that addresses that gap. On a worldwide basis, if you look at people who are writing and thinking in a careful way about those issues, they are coming from a more small c perspective.

Frankly I think Labour is a lost cause. Those hoping this will cause them to reflect are going to be disappointed, look at the thread. They would rather burn down the whole country and have a government like the ones we re seeing have success in Europe than take the disenfranchised working classes seriously.

Yawn. The SNP are not bigots.

I am absolutely not talking about my Italian neighbour as an example of multi- cultralism he has an anti- intergration stance himself.

I was speaking about my Educational and professional experience and that of my children. My secondary school was absolutely not a middle class enclave. Plenty of single parent families, huge number of children of 1st generation immigrants. I refute this is a exclusively middle class standpoint. It might be a metropolitan, urban perspective but it is not middle class.

Ha ha, You've sort of cheered me up in a random way.

I'm an educated genius.
This sad little country could suddenly find accomodation, transport passes, college places, school places and so on for white Ukrainians but is happy to see brown people shoved into the sea to die.

I think if you were voting against the torys staying in, you would vote Labour not Reform.

Asylum seekers are not coming here illegally.

Immigrants who've come here legally and are trying to get their family members in through a legal route are often quite frustrated by the failure to address illegal immigration too. Why some people can't get their brains around this concept is a mystery.

It's generally quite frustrating if you've had to do something legally and jump through lots of hoops and incur huge costs and then see other people achieving the same thing illegally. I was an immigrant to another country for a while, I did it legally whilst lots did it illegally and I can speak to that being a frustrating experience.

Immigrants aren't some massive homogeneous mass.