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HeBeaverandSheBeaver · 2024-07-04T22:27:49+00:00

I have not voted Reform and live in a safe tory seat But I voted Lib dem tactical vote I said ages Ago on here the reform would do really well and was shouted down. Same as brexit, no one will admit voting for reform but They still do it in droves it seems. I'm Willing to bet they Might win an election in four years at this rate!! Scary Times

ageratum1 · 05/07/2024 02:06

Vote share has influence on policies, because Every mp cares about popularity!

TempestTost · 05/07/2024 02:06

What seems especially notable is despite how unhappy many are with the Conservative government, they haven't been convinced that Labour is a better option.

How bad a campaign do you have to run to get to that?

TempestTost · 05/07/2024 02:05

I mean - the numbers, to me, look like Labour hasn't really gained much. So, maybe a lot of the same voters they had last time.

What's changed is people who voted Tory last time, and are pissed off at them, clearly did not feel like Labour was a better bet. So they've gone for a protest vote, either Reform or Lib Dem mainly.

It looks to me like a big FU to Labour and the Tories.

Melisha · 05/07/2024 02:03

Reform are not nut jobs. They have proven backing from Russia and are aiming to disrupt Britain. They use policies they know they will never have to deliver, to get support from people who do not want to vote for mainstream parties.

Neurodiversitydoctor · 05/07/2024 02:00

Barnsley too ( Reform 2nd) these are hundreds of thousands of votes, we cannot discount this as nut jobs and fanatics. Reform is saying something that is cutting through all over the North of England

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Neurodiversitydoctor · 05/07/2024 01:50

Previous poster said regardless of their nationality, she meant ethinicity or more acurately heritage. This was a poster who was describing others as racist.

Socrateswasrightaboutvoting · 05/07/2024 01:46

Neurodiversitydoctor · 05/07/2024 01:42

My point was they are as Britsh as anyone else, whoever they want to vote for. It should surprise noone that marginalized groups are drawn to the far right.

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Nobody is disputing that they are British, just that their vote legitimises Reform voters.

TempestTost · 05/07/2024 01:45

HolyGround13 · 05/07/2024 01:21

I agree completely, which is why I said it has racist connotations. Historically, ghetto referred to black communities in the US. But yeah, could be any minority. My point was that they were wondering if it is racist to object to the existence of ghettos in their area, and I pointed out that the word itself has racist connotations.

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But that isn't where the word comes from at all. It's much older and more widely used, black inner city ghettos are one example among many.

When someone says a word has racist connotations, generally what people mean is that you think it's racist to use the word. And it sounded like you were saying the poster should not have used it because it's a racist term. Is that not what you meant?

The whole point of the poster was making was that ghettoized neighbourhoods are bad. It's not racist to object to ghettoization, or say so.

SquirrelMadness · 05/07/2024 01:43

People saying "ignore the reform voters at your peril" - what are we supposed to do about them exactly?

The only person I know who was planning to vote reform is in his 70s and massively racist. There's nothing I could say to persuade him to vote otherwise and I really don't know how to talk to him about anything political.

I'm interested to see the age demographic of reform voters. I wonder if they are mostly people over 60s. I hope the younger generation are more tolerant.

Neurodiversitydoctor · 05/07/2024 01:42

Socrateswasrightaboutvoting · 05/07/2024 01:38

People from ethnic origins voting Reform.

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My point was they are as Britsh as anyone else, whoever they want to vote for. It should surprise noone that marginalized groups are drawn to the far right.

RaisedEyebrows11 · 05/07/2024 01:41

Prawncow · 04/07/2024 23:30

I’m really grateful for our first past the post system. It should keep down the number of seats they win.

But isn’t that cheering against democracy?

Abhannmor · 05/07/2024 01:41

Ghetto is an old Italian word I think. Definitely always Jewish areas in the late middle ages.

Socrateswasrightaboutvoting · 05/07/2024 01:38

Neurodiversitydoctor · 05/07/2024 01:33

Sorry I don't know what you are talking about.

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People from ethnic origins voting Reform.

HolyGround13 · 05/07/2024 01:35

BaselineDrop · 05/07/2024 01:30

Historically, ghetto refers to Jewish communities in Europe. The term originates from the 1500s. And they were legally enforced, not enforced by societal code.

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That’s interesting, the connection to Jewish communities goes back further than I thought. I had most often heard it in the context of black civil rights, but the roots do seem European. Either way, not a word I’d happily use about any areas now, because I think it is stigmatising and implies negative things about minorities.

Neurodiversitydoctor · 05/07/2024 01:33

Socrateswasrightaboutvoting · 05/07/2024 01:27

Collaborators exist.

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Sorry I don't know what you are talking about.

Grantshappsotherusrnames · 05/07/2024 01:33

Grantshappsotherusrnames · 05/07/2024 01:28

Seats that Labour hasn't campaigned strongly in and yet their share of the vote in Cramlington went up by 5%.

What the Labour strategists appear to have got very right is mobilising the vote where they need it most, the swings are likely to be larger where they need it to be to secure seats that previously did not hold, whereas seats that they do hold they may lose a little bit of that previous majority.

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Also worth noting that Cramlington is a new seat, but a Tory MP was standing in the seat, as it used to be part of his constituency.

BaselineDrop · 05/07/2024 01:30

HolyGround13 · 05/07/2024 01:21

I agree completely, which is why I said it has racist connotations. Historically, ghetto referred to black communities in the US. But yeah, could be any minority. My point was that they were wondering if it is racist to object to the existence of ghettos in their area, and I pointed out that the word itself has racist connotations.

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Historically, ghetto refers to Jewish communities in Europe. The term originates from the 1500s. And they were legally enforced, not enforced by societal code.

Grantshappsotherusrnames · 05/07/2024 01:28

Neurodiversitydoctor · 05/07/2024 01:25

yes but these are very safe Labour seats. The point is in those areas Reform is the opposition.

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Seats that Labour hasn't campaigned strongly in and yet their share of the vote in Cramlington went up by 5%.

What the Labour strategists appear to have got very right is mobilising the vote where they need it most, the swings are likely to be larger where they need it to be to secure seats that previously did not hold, whereas seats that they do hold they may lose a little bit of that previous majority.

Socrateswasrightaboutvoting · 05/07/2024 01:27

Neurodiversitydoctor · 05/07/2024 01:16

Sorry but I have to call you out on this especially as your are calling others racisit. Someone whose parents were immigrants are almost certainly British although they may have dual nationality but they are as British as anyone else. I think you mean to refer to their heitage, possibly their culture or even their ethnicity.

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Collaborators exist.

Neurodiversitydoctor · 05/07/2024 01:25

Grantshappsotherusrnames · 05/07/2024 01:23

Another seat where Reform Ltd + Reform Lite Con is less than Labour.

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yes but these are very safe Labour seats. The point is in those areas Reform is the opposition.

Neurodiversitydoctor · 05/07/2024 01:24

Grantshappsotherusrnames · 05/07/2024 01:22

Is getting 13,000 fewer votes that the victor close now?
Or do you mean that Reform were close to the Tories in 3rd place, which they were.

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yes, just made it into 2nd place

WhereIsTheHare · 05/07/2024 01:24

It’s interesting that adding together the Ref and Con votes in all these constituencies so far still doesn’t add up to the total that Lab are getting to win, so neither Con nor Ref can claim that splitting the right wing vote has kept them from winning seats.

Grantshappsotherusrnames · 05/07/2024 01:23

TheCompactPussycat · 05/07/2024 01:21

Close to being 3rd. Certainly not close to Labour vote.

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Another seat where Reform Ltd + Reform Lite Con is less than Labour.

Grantshappsotherusrnames · 05/07/2024 01:22

Neurodiversitydoctor · 05/07/2024 01:19

and another one Cramlington Reform close 2nd.

Is getting 13,000 fewer votes that the victor close now?
Or do you mean that Reform were close to the Tories in 3rd place, which they were.