Reform are getting a shitload of voters

Addressed how ?

Well big question, but there are clearly concerns in working class districts that are just being ignored.

Maybe a good start would be to say clearly "No we can't reduce immigration and this is why..." But then constructively produce policy that addresses the housing crisis, mitigates cost of living, regenerates post industrial districts and seaside towns...

Because I'm not sure that really been done in a clear and joined up way. Fudging and fibbing don't help.

And maybe Labour need to re-prioritise serving the needs of WC communities generally as a matter of urgency?

This whole approach of ignoring the elephant in the room or making empty promises isn't working.

There was a good book dissecting Brexit by a young academic with York/Rowntree connections. I started it but I don't think I finished it. It's probably lost somewhere in the shuffle. But I liked her approach.

It is following the trend in Europe. Makes total sense. Voters are disappointed with conservatives and they need to vote for someone else.

The last Labour government did pretty well. General quality of life was a lot better. Dread to think how the over-ideological, financially incompetent & grossly corrupt current Tories would've handled the 2008 global financial crisis. Gordon Brown was, and is still, admired by economists throughout the world.

But it didn’t because people were too busy protesting and wanting to overturn the result and calling people who voted leave racists and unintelligent. Almost like the posters calling Reform voters racists and bottom feeders.

No one has asked why these people feel the way they do and no one wants to find a solution to attract them to vote for the major parties

Its again just thinking these people aren’t intellectually bright enough and dismissing their concerns

Except the numbers are growing with each election as more and more people feel that the major parties don’t represent them

I’ve said this many times. Reform will start to come out of the shadows, and whilst nowhere near winning anything too significant at this stage, I predict they will be standing shoulder to shoulder with the other two parties in years to come, and increasing their popularity as they go. There’s a gap which exists where a lot of people are not represented by either Labour or Tory, who both need to step up and fill that gap if they are unhappy about Reform’s increasing popularity.

I teach quite a few children of immigrants; immigrants themselves and refugees. When other kids declare loudly, it's always loudly, that they would vote reform, we know exactly what they mean.

It scares me the amount of votes Reform has got. So many Reform votes that ordinarily would have gone to the Tories. God help us if this is any indication of what’s to come.

It is ironic that the result of Reform standing is there is now a government with a larger majority whose policies are furthest from Reforms.

Addressed how ?

You don't think NF had a big hand in fucking up the country?
Voting Reform seems like throwing good money after bad.

Immigration is such a minor issue and one we should be supporting for people escaping war torn counties.

Reform should not be on the ballot paper nor should any party with even a hint of racist ideology

Demonstrating how excellent the Labour campaign under Pat McFadden was.

Did he push Reform?

Look at the European Parliament elections. Look at France, Germany, Belgium, the Netherlands, Italy.

The UK is slightly behind the curve, that's all.

That's a warning, by the way, nothing else.

All this alarmist language around people voting for a party because the other two options have royalty fucked up the country 🙄

Demonstrating how excellent the Labour campaign under Pat McFadden was.
Maximising the potential.

I think it is worth remembering that the voting patterns would be very different if we had a different voting system.

Additionally I hope that anyone complaining about FPTP and vote share not equally seats, remembers how they voted when we had a referendum on the subject and that referendums are a clear indication of the will of the people and can never be changed.

@HolyGround13 the first time that the word ghetto was used was in 1516. It was used to describe the area in Venice, Italy where the Jews were required by law to live. Ghetto comes from the Italian word for ‘casting’ as the area the Jews was required to live in was by the city’s copper foundry.

sources
columbian.gwu.edu
history.fas.harvard.edu

They’re getting 14% of the overall share, more than Liberal Democrats. It’s easy for people to right them off as crazy, and everyone who voted for them as idiots. And ‘it’ll never happen’, but look what happened with Brexit. Labour need to address some of the working class issues, that make people vote reform.

And most of them were perfectly legitimate asylum seekers fleeing persecution.
Nothing illegal about claiming asylum in a safe country.

Labour’s share of the vote has only increased by 1.6%, The Conservatives are down by 19.9% and the majority of that went to Reform (12.2%).

I notice the Conservatives would have won Brecon comfortably if Reform voters had voted for them, and Montgomeryshire. And Bury St Edmunds. And that is just the first three constituencies I checked.

There are definitely more than 17,000 illegal immigrants
68,000 came over the channel in small boats in 2022 and 2023 and that is what they know of

The problem is that ultimately there are many more poorer people in the country than well off.
And neither of the big parties represent them

Please God this will have to be properly addressed now. It should have happened 8 or 9 years ago.

I think this election will show both the pros and cons of our “first past the post” system. reform polling more votes than the Lib Dem’s, sitting on 4 seats, while LDs have 66. Nigel Farage in the House will never stop shouting about this.
Also those claiming a huge Labour victory need to realise that while it is undoubtedly a landslide seat wise, they’ve also polled so far with less than a 2% increase in actual votes across the country.

Do those people really know what they voted for? Privatisation of the NHS worth it for turning back the boats?

The sad thing Is the constituencies that now have Reform MPs and who could really benefit from strong representation and change locally will unlikely get it. You get what you vote for.

Reform coming second & third in so many places. They’ve done a lot better than I thought they’d do.