Reform are getting a shitload of voters

Seriously??

I didn't realise we have so many bigots here.

Reform got 4 million votes, Lib Dems 3.5 million votes. We should all be very worried about this.

Its that sort of dismissive attitude that lead to Brexit

Labour are coming into this Parliament in a very different position to last time they entered power. Tax is already the highest it has been for 70 years. UK debt is much higher in no small part due to Covid. There is no gold reserve to use. The NHS is still paying billions of debt from Labour’s last time in government.

I’ve no idea why people think Labour are going to change their views on women and trans now

look at people like Trudeau, he’s so far gone with it, and when ‘lobbied on it’ which is what I hear people on here saying they will do to change minds, he just brands these people homophobe bigots.

That scenario is much more likely than Starmer suddenly declaring TW are not women

Controversial but wish it was Corbyn at the helm.

Well Labour think women have penises and are actively backing an ideology which targets and

I've been so angry with Labour for this but just maybe they will ditch the silly woke posing now that they've got a big, real job on their hands.

Pity we have a bunch of misogynistic idiots in number 10

Well Labour think women have penises and are actively backing an ideology which targets and result in the infertility of many with autism, esp girls. I assume you have also discussed this ( enforced your political ideology) on your son and said this should automatically exclude Labour, the Lib Dem’s and the Greens from his vote too? Did you all discuss how this excludes women from sports, the work place, healthcare, rape and domestic violence crisis centres. How he should use his “privilege” to support women who this Government are going to target for exclusion and silencing? What were his views on that? I assume you have given him a copy of the Handmaids Tale

@Kovus “Meanwhile, Starmer will quietly get on with housing, redistributing wealth, infrastructure investment, investment in jobs and training while balancing a fine line on the economy. ”

I hope you are right, but I think it’s wishful thinking.

I hope Labour have had policy teams on this for months already.

Well it's nice to wake up to reform not doing as well as predicted! Not going to trawl through the other 200 replies I've missed since going to sleep. Don't really have the energy for any racist deniers today.

Wes Streeting truly is odious @hairbearbunches

@Kovus
Reform votes are merely protest votes (even if some of those voters do not realise it).

that’s genuinely funny 🤣

Reform’s vote share will be higher than the Lib Dems and the latter have 72 seats to 4.

that should piss everyone off because whatever else it might be, it is not democracy. Sunlight bleaches, PR would have had them in the limelight for the batshit nutters they are. But all we have is Farage, Tice, Anderson + 1 other agitating on the benches.

The bigger picture is not good.

on a separate note, commiserations to the Independent lady who almost toppled odious Wes Streeting. Very close call.

And congrats to Jeremy Corbyn. Labour were nowhere near.

I think these figures are right at this point…

labour got 34% of the total vote
reform got 14% of the total vote

Starmer may have a massive majority in parliament, but you can’t really say he has full support of the British people. He better deliver on his ‘change’ - whatever that means.

I think farage is correct when he says that Labour will be more of the same, but slightly worse. Tax rises won’t go down well because he has no plan to actually match that with public service improvements. Throwing money at it won’t improve the NHS for example.

Have not read the full thread.

I am not worried about Farage. His track record is not about building anything, only about destruction. Reform votes are merely protest votes (even if some of those voters do not realise it). There is no 'building material' within Reform (jokingly perhaps Tice knows how to construct a house, but that's it). The kind of power Farage yields can only go so far. What will be interesting is how the Conservative Party reshapes itself over the next five years. There will be turmoil and struggles within the Conservatives and between them and Reform there will be war. Farage may yet meet his true adversary.

Meanwhile, Starmer will quietly get on with housing, redistributing wealth, infrastructure investment, investment in jobs and training while balancing a fine line on the economy. It is not an easy baton, but he just needs to hold it steady. Challenges will come on defence spending (potentially the largest Achilles Heel) and foreign policy. But I suspect we will hear more about the Conservative rebuild than we will about Labour's progress.

They had a mock election at my sons school (secondary) yesterday. Having read all the policies and background for each party, Reform won by a landslide.

Politico’s coverage (usually centre) is asking some very interesting questions this morning https://www.politico.eu/article/labour-election-victory-weaker-than-you-think-keir-starmer-nigel-farage/

There’s already quite a few candidates at 7/1 for the new Labour leader.so I’m guessing the bookies don’t think change is far away if they are already seeing favourites emerge. That’s what to watch.I would say as soon as we have candidates with better odds than 5/1 we’ll see a leadership challenge.

Barry Gardiner has addressed this issue just now on Ch 4.

He quite rightly said that it’s a disgrace that companies are allowed to pay wages so low that working families have to rely on food banks.

If you completely erode opportunity and basic social equality, of course disaffected voters are ripe for picking by Reform.

If Keir actually can “restore the UK to the service of working party” to use words from his acceptance speech, and take concrete action to level up, in a very difficult economic environment, then Reform will lose supporters. It’s a difficult challenge ahead for Labour though but I have faith they can make solid improvements in important areas like child poverty, homelessness, childcare costs etc.

the population of those areas will have more to do with tax being paid, there is a far great population in the SE than in the other two areas put together

If people are worried the youth of today are going to vote reform tomorrow have you ever discussed politics with them? I sure have my son is 15 I explained to him as a white male he automatically has privilege the party he needs to vote for is one who doesn't make anyone less than they should be while simultaneously protecting his own space in the world

Reform saying things like "autistics are vegetables" should automatically disqualify them from his vote

Reform have had 100x the publicity that the Green Party have had, BBC have had NF on air 99% more than the Green Party leader - who most people wouldn't even be able to name without googling

Imagine being a Reform supporter .. a life full of negativity and hate -like walking round with a black cloud over your head ..

Zactly.

And the top 50% of Income Tax payers were liable for 90.5% of total Income Tax in 2019 to 2020, or £171 billion out of a total £189 billion, indicating the already progressive nature of the Income Tax system

I would suggest that after 8 attempts to become an MP he isn't one for giving up. I do believe there is a plan here, it was obvious the tory party would be decimated - he is now going to pick through the pieces of this and at the next election will have reformed his own party. So instead of having 350 reform candidates who are wet behind the ears, he will have joined the tory far right with reform and go back with ex tory candidates to win more seats.

Its incredibly worrying but Le Pen is has won finally and Europe is looking to the right as parties to lead them