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Reform are getting a shitload of voters

737 replies

HeBeaverandSheBeaver · 04/07/2024 23:27

I have not voted
Reform and live in a safe tory seat But I voted
Lib dem tactical vote

I said ages Ago on here the reform would do really well and was shouted down.

Same as brexit, no one will admit voting for reform but
They still do it in droves it seems.

I'm Willing to bet they
Might win an election in four years at this rate!!

Scary
Times

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EasternStandard · 05/07/2024 09:58

NoMoreFalafelForYou · 05/07/2024 09:54

I’m getting a bit fed up of listening to Labour politicians crowing about their landslide and the huge mandate the electorate has given them. Yes they got all the seats but only because of our FPTP system. 35% share of the vote in a low turnout election is not a landslide. I watched many of the votes coming in and Reform were the second party in loads of constituencies. Their 4 seats do not reflect their share of the vote.

The vote share is very different. 9.6m to 4m so not quite half

Seats though big difference in number

If it were nearly half in representation it would be very different governance and policy etc

swimsong · 05/07/2024 09:55

Yalta · 05/07/2024 07:40

But if the problem was with the party in power then why didn’t these people turn to Labour

Labour need to worry that ultimately they didn’t win this landslide victory because huge numbers of ex Tory voters turned to them but because the disenfranchised Conservatives turned to Reform and split Tory vote

Interesting to know how many seats would Conservatives have won if the Reform votes were added to the Conservative vote.

Your first objection makes no sense. The problem was the party in power so they didn't vote for it.

NoMoreFalafelForYou · 05/07/2024 09:54

I’m getting a bit fed up of listening to Labour politicians crowing about their landslide and the huge mandate the electorate has given them. Yes they got all the seats but only because of our FPTP system. 35% share of the vote in a low turnout election is not a landslide. I watched many of the votes coming in and Reform were the second party in loads of constituencies. Their 4 seats do not reflect their share of the vote.

Tiswa · 05/07/2024 09:53

It is a huge success for labour you can only play the political election that you have and we have always been first past the post - in many countries percentage of vote doesn’t necessarily mean being in charge (Hilary Clinton got more votes than Trump but were in heavily populated cities).

The Liberal Democrats for the first time benefited from the first past the post so often they haven’t and it was interesting seeing that question put to Ed Davey

Reform aren’t the 3rd party in Government not by a long way and their voters really are v understandably disenfranchised Conservative voters the centre and the left got more voters than the right and are far more likely to tactically vote

because tactical voting was key

Todaywasbetter · 05/07/2024 09:52

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😁

NoMoreFalafelForYou · 05/07/2024 09:51

From what I have seen the teens are getting fed up of all the woke agenda. Most of them have more sense than a lot of adults

This. At my son’s school they held a mock election and Reform did very well. This generation after Gen Z are very cynical about the woke agenda and see Farage as the only politician who calls it out.

Tracker1234 · 05/07/2024 09:50

Kovos - how would they distribute wealth?

CGT on your main house would result in NO ONE moving. Or worse house prices would increase to take this account but again wouldnt benefit people trying to get on the housing ladder.

EasternStandard · 05/07/2024 09:47

Starseeking · 05/07/2024 07:53

Labour have only got 1.7% more of the vote than they did at the last election; while they have won on FPTP, this is not a huge success story for them.

Tory vote collapsed and split between Reform and smaller parties.

At 4m votes for Reform so far, Reform have leapfrogged Lib Dems and are now the third party of the UK. Despite them only having taken 4 seats so far, it's a stunning victory for them.

Interesting numbers

Top three parties on roughly 10m, 7m and 4m

That seat difference for 10m and 4m is something, when it’s a bit under half of vote share

Neurodiversitydoctor · 05/07/2024 09:44

Devonbabs · 05/07/2024 08:08

They had a mock election at my sons school (secondary) yesterday. Having read all the policies and background for each party, Reform won by a landslide.

Politico’s coverage (usually centre) is asking some very interesting questions this morning https://www.politico.eu/article/labour-election-victory-weaker-than-you-think-keir-starmer-nigel-farage/

There’s already quite a few candidates at 7/1 for the new Labour leader.so I’m guessing the bookies don’t think change is far away if they are already seeing favourites emerge. That’s what to watch.I would say as soon as we have candidates with better odds than 5/1 we’ll see a leadership challenge.

Thanks for this. I am trying to explain this to my liberal leftie family who just will not see it. I may link the article.

Stripesandchecks543 · 05/07/2024 09:41

Kovus · 05/07/2024 08:08

Have not read the full thread.

I am not worried about Farage. His track record is not about building anything, only about destruction. Reform votes are merely protest votes (even if some of those voters do not realise it). There is no 'building material' within Reform (jokingly perhaps Tice knows how to construct a house, but that's it). The kind of power Farage yields can only go so far. What will be interesting is how the Conservative Party reshapes itself over the next five years. There will be turmoil and struggles within the Conservatives and between them and Reform there will be war. Farage may yet meet his true adversary.

Meanwhile, Starmer will quietly get on with housing, redistributing wealth, infrastructure investment, investment in jobs and training while balancing a fine line on the economy. It is not an easy baton, but he just needs to hold it steady. Challenges will come on defence spending (potentially the largest Achilles Heel) and foreign policy. But I suspect we will hear more about the Conservative rebuild than we will about Labour's progress.

Well said 👏👏👏

Todaywasbetter · 05/07/2024 09:40

The logic on some people is astounding. It’s so transparent the way there is evaluation of what has happened in this election suits their original political viewpoint. It’s laughable.

Tryingtokeepgoing · 05/07/2024 09:38

parkrun500club · 05/07/2024 09:25

Your teens did not read the Reform manifesto if they voted for them. Other than removing interest on tuition fees, there was nothing at all in there for young people. Absolutely nothing.

Personally I wouldn't p* on a Reform if they were on fire, but of the things in their 'contract' I can see tax cuts for small businesses with £100k tax free (gig economy?), tax relief on school fees, extra spending on the NHS, scrapping the TV licnce and raising the stamp duty threshold all appealing to the under 30s

TheAlchemistElixa · 05/07/2024 09:38

LiterallyOnFire · 05/07/2024 00:31

Well I'd make a big distinction between the party members and the people voting for them.

Don't drive more voters into their arms.

When a large number of your party’s candidates are openly and unapologetically racist, homophobic and bigoted, and when there are many other more “mainstream” parties more likely to get into power who don’t broadly have those views, then of course it makes sense to assume those voting for the little racist bigoted party’s are likely to be racist and bigoted themselves. Or don’t care about those issues. Which is the same thing.

OneForTheToad · 05/07/2024 09:38

@Tracker1234 where are you going then?

OneForTheToad · 05/07/2024 09:37

Devonbabs · 05/07/2024 09:33

Exactly- most countries specifically allow people in if they’re worth ££££.

As for that posters view on CGT on house sales, exactly the sort of idiotic mentality that got Labour in. The housing market would stagnate, house prices of the few on the market would increase to account for tax.

That’s why they need to introduce a land value tax. People with millions in housing should be paying more than people in an apartment.

Labour will be getting the money off the wealthy, one way or another.

OneForTheToad · 05/07/2024 09:35

parkrun500club · 05/07/2024 09:24

They got in in predominantly white, ultra deprived areas with lots of social problems and issues

yes it's amazing how turkeys vote for Christmas. Poor people in non-affluent areas voting for people who'll put them down even more. Lets not forget that it's all there in plain sight - Reform's manifesto makes crystal clear that they will remove employment rights.

Unlike Labour and Tories who want huge migration because it suppresses wages and gives the impression of increasing gdp.

Rather than entice unemployed people from the unemployment hot spots, train and house them, they’d prefer to let other countries train people, let them move to the UK.
Those policies haven’t worked since the de industrialization of the UK.

TheAlchemistElixa · 05/07/2024 09:35

Melonportal · 04/07/2024 23:48

This thread is showing exactly why people have voted Reform - there's a nasty implication of stupid, working class, northern idiots. Don't worry, the sensible southerners will show them how they should have voted.

No, it’s the racism and bigotry.

Devonbabs · 05/07/2024 09:33

Yalta · 05/07/2024 09:26

You can get into anywhere if you have the money

Most countries would welcome you with open arm if you have wealth

I am moving abroad and I certainly don’t have wealth
But being in the UK is just not safe.

Exactly- most countries specifically allow people in if they’re worth ££££.

As for that posters view on CGT on house sales, exactly the sort of idiotic mentality that got Labour in. The housing market would stagnate, house prices of the few on the market would increase to account for tax.

Tracker1234 · 05/07/2024 09:32

People who say the wealthy wont move and will continue to be taxed and taxed, of course they will! With money you can move. This view that the very wealthy who spend in our hotels restaurants etc wont leave because they live in the same house as where they were born with their Mum round the corner is laughable.

I could move abroad now. We looked at it a number of years ago but husband didnt want to leave his parents. They have both passed as have mine so the reason to stay isnt there.

OneForTheToad · 05/07/2024 09:31

@ Yalta “Most countries would welcome you with open arm if you have wealth”

Which countries? You need a lot of wealth, and moving to somewhere like Thailand is not for everyone. Nor Malta etc.

crumblingschools · 05/07/2024 09:29

Nigel Farage is not a great campaigner for women either

OneForTheToad · 05/07/2024 09:28

@Yalta “I am moving abroad and I certainly don’t have wealth
But being in the UK is just not safe.“

Safe from what exactly?

Devonbabs · 05/07/2024 09:28

parkrun500club · 05/07/2024 09:24

They got in in predominantly white, ultra deprived areas with lots of social problems and issues

yes it's amazing how turkeys vote for Christmas. Poor people in non-affluent areas voting for people who'll put them down even more. Lets not forget that it's all there in plain sight - Reform's manifesto makes crystal clear that they will remove employment rights.

Yep that’s women voting for labour - Turkeys voting for Christmas

Devonbabs · 05/07/2024 09:28

parkrun500club · 05/07/2024 09:25

Your teens did not read the Reform manifesto if they voted for them. Other than removing interest on tuition fees, there was nothing at all in there for young people. Absolutely nothing.

Oh there’s plenty. From what I have seen the teens are getting fed up of all the woke agenda. Most of them have more sense than a lot of adults

Yalta · 05/07/2024 09:26

OneForTheToad · 05/07/2024 09:01

What? Where are they going? You can’t get into America, or Europe. The commonwealth countries have pretty strict immigration policies, and who wants to live in SE Asia? Maybe a fraction of people will somehow move away, far far less than the people caught up in it.
Anyway, I’m talking about unearned wealth of inheritance and house prices.
Those people aren’t going anywhere.

A CGT on house sales would also be a good idea, and scrap stamp duty.

You can get into anywhere if you have the money

Most countries would welcome you with open arm if you have wealth

I am moving abroad and I certainly don’t have wealth
But being in the UK is just not safe.