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MadameMassiveSalad · 29/06/2024 07:44

Why?

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HappiestSleeping · 02/07/2024 15:01

CurlewKate · 02/07/2024 13:25

@HappiestSleeping do you not consider Wes Streeting, Angela Rayner and Rachel Reeves heavy hitters?

And-follow up question-who are the Tory heavy hitters in your opinion?

No, not really. Rachel maybe, but insufficient evidence at this stage.

As far as the Conservatives, they don't really have any either. So much so that they had to drag old 'run away' Cameron back from obscurity. If he is the best they could find, I think that proves my point. Not even an MP so had to be made a Lord in order to hold office. 🤦‍♂️

CurlewKate · 02/07/2024 13:25

@HappiestSleeping do you not consider Wes Streeting, Angela Rayner and Rachel Reeves heavy hitters?

And-follow up question-who are the Tory heavy hitters in your opinion?

Darklane · 02/07/2024 13:21

I’m undecided. Had enough of this disastrous Tory government. Lived under two previous Labour governments which were a disaster fo us as a working family. Gordon Brown completely wrecked my personal pension savings & lived through all the disastrous strikes. But it hardly matters being undecided seeing as we’ve hardly anyone standing living as we do in the Speaker’s constituency.

Riffraffarchitect · 01/07/2024 11:12

Just different flavours of disaster is the most accurate description of this general election

MoonshineSon · 01/07/2024 11:07

ItsSummerish · 01/07/2024 09:53

Yep. I want the tories out, but can't vote for Labour/lib dem and the greens are an absolute joke. So in my area I'm left with Reform. I won't spoil my ballot (as tempting as it is!) After a huge amount of reading and emailing local candidates I'm frankly depressed by it all. I'll decide on the day I guess.

How on earth can Reform be an option. Unless someone is a bigot I don't understand the appeal.
Is immigration is genuinely your biggest concern you need to vote for a party that is going to improve the world. Act as a stabilizing force internationally, reduce climate change and support developing counties sustainably. This will, in the longer term reduce immigration.
Reform are the opposite of this.

HappiestSleeping · 01/07/2024 11:02

TinyYellow · 01/07/2024 10:56

This is why a lot of people will vote Labour, but that doesn’t mean that people believe in their policies.

I don’t believe that getting the tories out is so important that we should actively vote for disaster.

At the moment, a cross in any box is a vote for disaster. Just different flavours of disaster.

TinyYellow · 01/07/2024 10:56

MadameMassiveSalad · 01/07/2024 09:45

If you honestly cant see that we need the Tories out, then probably best you don't vote and stay at home grumbling 🤷🏻‍♀️

This is why a lot of people will vote Labour, but that doesn’t mean that people believe in their policies.

I don’t believe that getting the tories out is so important that we should actively vote for disaster.

schloss · 01/07/2024 10:11

DarkForces · 01/07/2024 10:04

We live in a democracy. People can vote for whoever they want. This is exactly what I mean about Labour's shitty attitude to dissent

Exactly well said.

DarkForces · 01/07/2024 10:04

MadameMassiveSalad · 01/07/2024 09:45

If you honestly cant see that we need the Tories out, then probably best you don't vote and stay at home grumbling 🤷🏻‍♀️

We live in a democracy. People can vote for whoever they want. This is exactly what I mean about Labour's shitty attitude to dissent

andymary · 01/07/2024 10:02

MadameMassiveSalad · 01/07/2024 09:45

If you honestly cant see that we need the Tories out, then probably best you don't vote and stay at home grumbling 🤷🏻‍♀️

Stealth Tory bashing thread it seems... a completely useless read.

bellinisurge · 01/07/2024 10:02

Decided: spoiling my paper. No one deserves my vote but they deserve to know I got off my arse and spoiled my paper.
I know no one cares but my conscience does.

Riffraffarchitect · 01/07/2024 09:57

MadameMassiveSalad · 01/07/2024 09:45

If you honestly cant see that we need the Tories out, then probably best you don't vote and stay at home grumbling 🤷🏻‍♀️

😧

DarkForces · 01/07/2024 09:55

I'm very undecided. I'm Welsh and have lived under a Labour government since devolution.
I really dislike the way dissenters are completely ignored, called stupid and shouted down. To get the illusion of support for 20mph the health board were basically ordered to put staff up for interviews who'd praise it. Then when people still protested we were told we'd misunderstood the whole policy. Public services are not impartial. As a one party state I think they have a responsibility to be more transparent and accountable to the population.
On pretty much every score Wales is below England, despite having more to spend per head of population thanks to the Barnett formula.
They've really screwed over our farmers and haven't subsidised good practice around sustainability in the same way England has
Don't get me started on their views about women. They really are misogynistic at the top.
I'll still probably vote for them because the other candidates are worse and I can't vote Plaid who's give this shit show more powers

ItsSummerish · 01/07/2024 09:53

Yep. I want the tories out, but can't vote for Labour/lib dem and the greens are an absolute joke. So in my area I'm left with Reform. I won't spoil my ballot (as tempting as it is!) After a huge amount of reading and emailing local candidates I'm frankly depressed by it all. I'll decide on the day I guess.

HappiestSleeping · 01/07/2024 09:48

MadameMassiveSalad · 01/07/2024 09:45

If you honestly cant see that we need the Tories out, then probably best you don't vote and stay at home grumbling 🤷🏻‍♀️

That wasn't the point of the thread though, unless I misunderstand? You asked why people are undecided. If what you actually meant to say was "if you are undecided I can help by stating that we need the Conservatives out" that would have been an entirely different conversation.

MadameMassiveSalad · 01/07/2024 09:45

If you honestly cant see that we need the Tories out, then probably best you don't vote and stay at home grumbling 🤷🏻‍♀️

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NeedingCoffee · 30/06/2024 21:18

As above; can't vote for a party that won't acknowledge biology and protect women's rights - it's a complete deal breaker for me. Reform - can't vote for racism either.
And that leaves Conservative.
Honestly, I find it almost inconceivable that 3 parties have made it near impossible for half of the population to vote for them - why would you do that?!?

TinyYellow · 30/06/2024 21:17

Vote tactically for what? The party I want to win doesn’t exist.

To vote tactically to change our current government, I’d have to vote for a party who does too much of something I disagree with. I don’t want to lend my support to something I don’t support.

MadameMassiveSalad · 30/06/2024 21:11

TinyYellow · 30/06/2024 14:38

Because as much as I want to change our current government, there is nothing inspiring about the alternative and their leader comes across as a smarmy two faced git.

A vote for the greens and Lib Dems is a vote for trans ideology and a vote for reform is a vote for the racists. So I’m out of options.

Then vote tactically?

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BloodyHellKenAgain · 30/06/2024 18:40

TinyYellow · 30/06/2024 14:38

Because as much as I want to change our current government, there is nothing inspiring about the alternative and their leader comes across as a smarmy two faced git.

A vote for the greens and Lib Dems is a vote for trans ideology and a vote for reform is a vote for the racists. So I’m out of options.

I agree. I can't remember a general election when, with less than 1 week to go so many people I know are still saying all options are crap and they can't decide who to vote for, to spoil their vote, or even to not vote at all. My husband is the same. He said the chatter in his office is full of undecided voters.

TinyYellow · 30/06/2024 14:38

Because as much as I want to change our current government, there is nothing inspiring about the alternative and their leader comes across as a smarmy two faced git.

A vote for the greens and Lib Dems is a vote for trans ideology and a vote for reform is a vote for the racists. So I’m out of options.

MadameMassiveSalad · 30/06/2024 14:33

leeverarch · 30/06/2024 11:46

If you are undecided, then look at your local candidates and vote for the one who is going to work to resolve local issues and best represent the needs of the local constituents. Hopefully they will actually live in the constituency they represent.

This is a national election not a local one. Look at the policies of the parties!

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leeverarch · 30/06/2024 11:46

If you are undecided, then look at your local candidates and vote for the one who is going to work to resolve local issues and best represent the needs of the local constituents. Hopefully they will actually live in the constituency they represent.

HappiestSleeping · 30/06/2024 11:40

MadameMassiveSalad · 30/06/2024 11:30

@HappiestSleeping isn't it better to vote for a party/manifesto than one person?

Yes. What made you think that wasn't what I was referring to? None of the parties fill me with any confidence. None of their manifestos stand up to any scrutiny.

As I said, the original question is whether I was undecided. The choice is shit, or shit. So I am undecided which shit I wish to vote for.

Ultimately, I will most likely go for a different flavour shit to the one we have currently, but I'm under no illusion that it won't be anything other than just a different flavour of shit.

MadameMassiveSalad · 30/06/2024 11:30

I hope you're right @TheHorneSection

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