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I don't know who to vote for ...

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JFDIYOLO · 25/06/2024 15:48

Totally politically homeless.

I believe the threats to the environment are a real danger to the next generation but I can't vote Green. Had a 'discussion' on my own doorstep with the Green candidate who looked at me pityingly when I stated my opinion on transwomen in women's prisons, crooning 'but they're not male people ...' like a hypnotist.

I believe in workers' rights and protecting the NHS, but I can't vote Labour because of its mysogyny.

I believe in protecting women and children's rights from the transcult. The Tories are the only ones who appear to be talking sense on that but ... obviously not.

I believe in supporting the arts, education, pro-Europe etc etc etc.

But who the hell can I VOTE for??

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verdantverdure · 27/06/2024 23:18

Hiphopopotamonster · 27/06/2024 20:20

I honestly want to scream at the women on here who are genuinely planning to vote for a right wing nut job party because they’re pandering to your GC lines (and dog whistling to all the bigots) I’m honestly not sure whether you’re idiots who can’t see you’re being manipulated, or just prejudiced and have finally found a marginalised group to hang it on. But it’s fucking scary.

I don't understand it either.

Bit Brexit taught me that some people are strongly affected by slogans to the extent that they choose them over demonstrable reality.

I'm a little GC but I hope I have too much self respect to allow myself to be manipulated by people mouthing slogans in bad faith.

BadeballSkihipto · 27/06/2024 20:24

Right on.

cupcaske123 · 27/06/2024 20:22

Hiphopopotamonster · 27/06/2024 20:20

I honestly want to scream at the women on here who are genuinely planning to vote for a right wing nut job party because they’re pandering to your GC lines (and dog whistling to all the bigots) I’m honestly not sure whether you’re idiots who can’t see you’re being manipulated, or just prejudiced and have finally found a marginalised group to hang it on. But it’s fucking scary.

I've seen women say they'll vote for Reform on women's rights. Reform.

Hiphopopotamonster · 27/06/2024 20:20

I honestly want to scream at the women on here who are genuinely planning to vote for a right wing nut job party because they’re pandering to your GC lines (and dog whistling to all the bigots) I’m honestly not sure whether you’re idiots who can’t see you’re being manipulated, or just prejudiced and have finally found a marginalised group to hang it on. But it’s fucking scary.

verdantverdure · 27/06/2024 20:11

Tenaciousbeyondallthings · 27/06/2024 20:09

I am vehement in my Gender critiacal Stan e but I am also not an idiot . First and foremost is getting this bunch of grifters out. So that means voting about and then lobbying my MP that a man has a penis and a woman a uterus.. but THAT really isn't the issue right now !!,,

Yes.

Mine goes

Tory MP out.

Lobby new MP about rejoining the EU.

Tenaciousbeyondallthings · 27/06/2024 20:09

I am vehement in my Gender critiacal Stan e but I am also not an idiot . First and foremost is getting this bunch of grifters out. So that means voting about and then lobbying my MP that a man has a penis and a woman a uterus.. but THAT really isn't the issue right now !!,,

verdantverdure · 27/06/2024 20:00

ScarletWitchM · 27/06/2024 19:49

Vote for the MP that represents your constituency the best - you’re voting locally not nationally

How can you know who that is though?

ScarletWitchM · 27/06/2024 19:49

Vote for the MP that represents your constituency the best - you’re voting locally not nationally

RappersNeedChapstick · 27/06/2024 19:42

I've voted already. We'd already booked a holiday for next week so we have applied for Postal Voting for this election only.

Will miss being at home on election night though.

Mycatsmudge · 27/06/2024 08:37
JFDIYOLO · 26/06/2024 09:32

@notanothernana Labour have pledged billions to green initiatives.

And my concerns are in fact for the 51% of the population whose right to sex specific space is endangered, to children and young people's health and future, AND for a safe dignified life for trans people. I think this is is all possible.

Note - I don't like, trust or believe ANY of them! This is all hypothetical based on the pickme vibe they're all chucking out. What they actually DO will be interesting to watch.

But I liked the quote about the bus not going exactly where you want but if you get on you'll at least be heading in a direction you want. So I'm getting on the red one.

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notanothernana · 26/06/2024 07:26

So you're letting the climate crisis slide out of view because you have an issue with 1% of people wanting to change gender?

RappersNeedChapstick · 26/06/2024 07:11

I'm voting tactically. We live in a Tory stronghold and only one party ever comes close to getting them out so I'm voting for them.

Bromptotoo · 26/06/2024 07:00

user1471453601 · 26/06/2024 00:47

I'm always saying to my adult child to never let "perfect " be an enemy to "better than". I'm a member of a political party but I've yet to agree with every single thing others in the party say.

however, I've always thought the party I support was better than any of the alternatives on offer.

In the same way I also believe that the doctrine of pure but impotent, is not a worthwhile position to take.

Robert Watson-Watt of radar fame used 'second best tomorrow' in a similar sense.

You can have something then that will do most of what you want but perfecting it might take months.

verdantverdure · 26/06/2024 00:53

It's the same for almost everyone.

None of us have someone to vote for with whom we perfectly agree.

Look up who can win in your constituency.

Pick one of them.

So at least you have voted effectively and influenced the result.

OR

Do one of the online quizzes that tell you who you're most aligned with such as Vote For Policies.

So at least you can choose the party who most represent your views.

I don't know who to vote for ...
HeddaGarbled · 26/06/2024 00:49

Where you live, there will be one or two candidates who have a realistic chance of winning. Pick one of those and ignore all the others.

user1471453601 · 26/06/2024 00:47

I'm always saying to my adult child to never let "perfect " be an enemy to "better than". I'm a member of a political party but I've yet to agree with every single thing others in the party say.

however, I've always thought the party I support was better than any of the alternatives on offer.

In the same way I also believe that the doctrine of pure but impotent, is not a worthwhile position to take.

SnowFrogJelly · 26/06/2024 00:36

I don't think Labour are any more misogynistic than any other party
Vote Labour there really is no other choice

JFDIYOLO · 26/06/2024 00:33

My other preferences it identified based on my answers - going down the list.

I don't know who to vote for ...
I don't know who to vote for ...
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JFDIYOLO · 26/06/2024 00:25

Thankyou very much for the isidewith recommendation. I've done the marathon questionnaire now and the results make very interesting reading. It does feel like a modified American questionnaire, with the arming teachers but, etc, but apart from that it is pretty comprehensive.

It tells you each party's stance on a wide variety of issues and gives you a run down of where you stand politically based on your answers. Recommended.

These were some of my outcomes. Despite their problematic stance on the trans topic for me, it's going to have to be Labour, for the rest of it, then keep going on the rights of women, children & teens.

I don't know who to vote for ...
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Againname · 26/06/2024 00:08

@JFDIYOLO

I'd look at it from a local constituency level. It's as important imo as national party level. Having a good local MP (even if a party you wouldn't usually like) is sometimes underrated. Someone who's there for their constituents, listens to their local concerns, and is approachable and available to help with individual problems.

Obviously sounds like your local Green candidate isn't for you but have you checked out your other candidates?

If none are any good, I agree with other posters.to try to choose which issues are most important to you and voting on that basis for the least bad option.

Last resort you can spoil your ballot. Some posters on other threads don't like that option but I think it's better than not voting at all (although I believe the freedom not to vote is as important as the freedom to vote. And on a similar note, freedom to spoil ballot is also an important freedom of choice).

If you do spoil your vote, make sure you make it clear it's intentionally spoilt. Sometimes votes appear to be spoilt but it's uncertain and count staff will try to work out if the voter actually meant to vote for a particular candidate. Write something like "I'm intentionally spoiling my ballot. None of the above". If you want to add reasons why, specific issues of concern to you, do that after writing the first bit.

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 25/06/2024 23:34

@Shortfatsuit that's also me exactly.

cupcaske123 · 25/06/2024 16:53

Well women have been well and truly screwed under austerity OP. Look at maternity care to start with. Reform will make life a hell of a lot worse due to massive cuts and the others buy into trans woo.

Shortfatsuit · 25/06/2024 16:49

AmelieTaylor · 25/06/2024 16:15

@Shortfatsuit

would you mind saying which party that might be?!?!

For me, it will be Labour.

Not because I am particularly inspired by them in any way, but because I would prefer a more left leaning government than the government that we currently have and the very good Labour candidate in my constituency will be infinitely better than our rubbish Tory MP. It's a two horse race where we live, and my priority is to get the Tory out. I would just as readily vote Green or Libdem if they had the better chance of kicking the Tory MP out.

I am not terribly happy with the current Labour Party. They seem to lack vision and courage. I hate their muddled stance on gender issues and am disappointed by their response to the situation in Gaza. I am not very excited at all about the prospect of a Labour government. But I'll take it because I believe that it is the only viable alternative to the Tories and imo, they are infinitely worse.

Ilovemyshed · 25/06/2024 16:20

I do a couple of online quizzes like isidewith and see where my values align and fo from there.

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