What will labour do re: trans

So what are trans women then?

And its
Trans women not transwomen. The space between the words is transphobic or something.

Can you bloom15 explain more about women paying more for the NHS?

I was under the impression we all paid via taxes to fund the NHS. How are women going to pay more?

Oh that nutter. I thought you meant it was in their manifesto.

I don't accept that transwomen are men in women's spaces so we start from a false dichotomy.

I'll answer questions but on the whole the Gender Critical Feminist lobby are as off beam as the worst of so called transactivist lobby so it's unlikely my answers will satisfy.

To be clear my use of 'so called' there reflects accustations that I am a 'transactivist'. I'm not but I've been around enough and seen enough to believe there's way to much alarmism.

Cant edit.

I don't know, I didnt vote for them.

@cupcaske123

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How is labour going to further the rights of women?

FWIW I don't necessarily want more rights, just the single sex spaces not safe spaces either. Single sex will do.

I also think transing children is and always was a terrible idea, that should be a given with all of us and banned immediately.

What choices? How are Reform going to further the rights of women or even retain them?

It looks like they're planning to get the gender ideology out of schools, which is a good thing but how are they going to help women?

They have made the best choice for them out of all the bad choices.

Hows about you turn your ire to the parties that could have our votes if they just thought about it.

It’s all a bit never ask for clarification

Why would women say ok to that? Because some men prefer it?

Crazy

I think it becomes ‘boring’ when those who want men in women’s spaces can’t answer questions.

Who knows at this point. But deflection has been going on for an age.

@CassieMaddox Which of those rights only apply to nice transexuals?

Come on. Anyone who says their number 1 issue is women and girls but in the next breath says they are voting Reform needs, at the barest minimum, a reality check.

Reform UK puts issues and arguments around gender on the first page of its “contract" of policy proposals. It talks about “divisive 'woke' ideology”, claiming it has captured public institutions.

Within the first 100 days of government, it pledges to ban what it calls “transgender ideology” in primary and secondary schools. It says this would mean no gender questioning, social transitioning or pronoun swapping in schools, and that parents would be informed about children’s life decisions.

Reform UK also promises to replace the Equality Act and says it would scrap diversity, equality and inclusion rules.

WTAF does this mean for women's rights? Nevermind the rights of all vulnerable people in the UK?

Can someone explain to me why they would vote for this if they support women's rights.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cqll1edxgw4o

What do you mean?

You mean like charging women more to use the NHS?

I don't find women's rights 'boring'.

That poster did "own" their choice.

It's how democracy works.
We all get to vote, we vote who we like or the best of a terrible bunch. Its allegedly secret anyway. They could be lying or telling the truth,you'll not get to know either way.

And here you are denigrating others choice of who to vote for.

Your telling off the wrong people, go tell the parties running that they are supposed to win our vote with policies that we like and can vote for.

It's hardly the peoples fault that no party is good enough to choose to vote for.

I was heading off a frequent question from a pp who thinks politicians need to make a list of single sex spaces to police them properly if we don't have a blanket ban on trans people in any form of opposite sex settings, including social groups like the WI.

It is very boring.

Oh my gosh.
This debate is not as simple as "single sex spaces" and you know that.

Someone trans shouldn't be forced into "spaces for their sex" as it won't always be safe for them. There needs to be concern for their safety as much as womens safety. Which is why I support third spaces.

Someone trans doesn't deserve all and sundry knowing about their medical condition and treatment. Therefore they shouldn't be forced to be "out" as trans in social situations unless they want to be.

Someone trans certainly doesn't need to be named and shamed on the Internet and it implied they are sexual or child abusers because they are trans. Yet that happens all the time.

These are all trans rights issues that are nothing to do with womens rights. There are ways to deal with this without negatively impacting women.

Great, they will be able to use third spaces.

And the list? What list

Though there's certainly a case for a third space. After all, we all deserve respect.

This is the 'most important' topic for you. Really?

You don't think the cost of living, NHS, social care, schools, utility bills, housing, Brexit and the environment are more important than what is really a niche issue that has no impact whatsoever to the majority of people's lives?

I smell an agenda here...

I think its entirely possible she doesn't care how "stupid people" vote

This shaming people because its their fault we got brexit, because people can't own their own democratic choices has stopped working imo.

If someone wants to go and vote for a misogynist dictator because "at least he knows what a woman is" they can knock themselves out. I'm not trying to persuade them otherwise.