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Reform party seems to be ahead in my area.

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Moier · 20/06/2024 18:55

Any of you voting Reform?
My area was always labour..( I've never voted labour).. but according to what I'm reading.. it's surprisingly gone the other way.
Will have to wait and see.
Did him being in I'm a Celebrity make him more popular..or is the extreme right the way to go?

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MotherFeministWoman · 22/06/2024 19:19

cupcaske123 · 22/06/2024 18:43

Farage says a lot of things. France won't take them back.

Ben Habib, Reform's deputy leader said that asylum seekers should 'suffer the consequences of their actions ' and drown.

Habib sounds like a good old fashioned Anglo-Saxon name...

cupcaske123 · 22/06/2024 19:15

EarthlyNightshade · 22/06/2024 19:13

Are you voting for Reform?
Or is this what you think they will do?

I'd like to really clear how people who are voting Reform because of immigration think that they will be solving it.

I'm not voting for Reform. I'm just answering the question.

I'd also love to hear what Reform voters think is the solution.

EarthlyNightshade · 22/06/2024 19:13

cupcaske123 · 22/06/2024 19:10

We can't turn boats around, it's against international law. The only way to tackle it, in my opinion, is investment and international cooperation.

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Are you voting for Reform?
Or is this what you think they will do?

I'd like to really clear how people who are voting Reform because of immigration think that they will be solving it.

cupcaske123 · 22/06/2024 19:10

EarthlyNightshade · 22/06/2024 18:53

I am interested in someone who is voting for Reform answering this.

I am not sure what the actual plan is. Even if it is leaving them to drown, that will require a workforce committed to that, as there are many who would instinctively want to save people from that.

If it's send them back, who will do that? Will Farage be on the beaches turning boats around?

We can't turn boats around, it's against international law. The only way to tackle it, in my opinion, is investment and international cooperation.

EarthlyNightshade · 22/06/2024 18:53

cupcaske123 · 22/06/2024 18:43

Farage says a lot of things. France won't take them back.

Ben Habib, Reform's deputy leader said that asylum seekers should 'suffer the consequences of their actions ' and drown.

I am interested in someone who is voting for Reform answering this.

I am not sure what the actual plan is. Even if it is leaving them to drown, that will require a workforce committed to that, as there are many who would instinctively want to save people from that.

If it's send them back, who will do that? Will Farage be on the beaches turning boats around?

cupcaske123 · 22/06/2024 18:43

EarthlyNightshade · 22/06/2024 18:21

How do you think Reform will deal with it?
Do you think they need to form a government to do so, or will they be able to make a difference with a few MPs?
Farage has talked about sending people back to France, how do you think he will do that?

Farage says a lot of things. France won't take them back.

Ben Habib, Reform's deputy leader said that asylum seekers should 'suffer the consequences of their actions ' and drown.

EnjoyingTheSilence · 22/06/2024 18:32

And what impression are you sending by voting reform?

I’d rather spoil my vote than vote for them

BiscuitsForever · 22/06/2024 18:22

I'd be gutted if my area voted for such an awful crew as Reform. They're just dreadful and I wouldn't want to live alongside people who can't see through the obvious liar that is Nigel Farage.

EarthlyNightshade · 22/06/2024 18:21

Cooper77 · 22/06/2024 18:14

Yes, I will be voting Reform. Politically, I'd describe myself as a moderate conservative, or even a left-leaning Tory, but I am very worried about immigration. The conservatives have utterly failed to deal with the issue, and pretty much ignored voter's concerns. They deserve to be punished. In 2022, 750,000 extra people settled in this country (when you add in illegal immigrants, it may well have been a million). It's just insane, and it can't go on. To house that many people we'll need to build three new Manchesters. WHERE? Obviously, on what is left of the British countryside. But I don't want more houses and cars. I want more trees and fields and silence. In the last ten years, my local woods have been hacked down to make way for two big new estates, including blocks of flats. And at the other end of the village another giant estate is under construction. We've also just heard that 800 new homes are going to be built on the long road that connects our village to the town. That road is clogged with traffic now, so what the hell is it going to be like when we add an extra thousand cars?!

No matter how many of these ghastly rabbit huts they jam on top of one another we always need more, more, more. Obviously Labour won't do anything about it. On the contrary, they'll be much worse. And make no mistake, this problem isn't going away. In spite of concerns about falling birth rates, the world's population is still growing. In 1960 there were three billion humans. Today there are eight billion and we're heading for ten. It looks like the world's population will peak in the 2050s, just as climate change begins to bite. Right now there are awful heatwaves in southern Europe and central America. In fact, Mexico just broke its record heat. Pretty soon people are going to start moving en mass. Either we face up to this or we'll be overwhelmed. I'm all for helping people, don't get me wrong. The rich countries have a moral duty to help the poor. But allowing millions of people onto this small, crowded little island isn't the answer.

How do you think Reform will deal with it?
Do you think they need to form a government to do so, or will they be able to make a difference with a few MPs?
Farage has talked about sending people back to France, how do you think he will do that?

Parker231 · 22/06/2024 18:18

Cooper77 · 22/06/2024 18:14

Yes, I will be voting Reform. Politically, I'd describe myself as a moderate conservative, or even a left-leaning Tory, but I am very worried about immigration. The conservatives have utterly failed to deal with the issue, and pretty much ignored voter's concerns. They deserve to be punished. In 2022, 750,000 extra people settled in this country (when you add in illegal immigrants, it may well have been a million). It's just insane, and it can't go on. To house that many people we'll need to build three new Manchesters. WHERE? Obviously, on what is left of the British countryside. But I don't want more houses and cars. I want more trees and fields and silence. In the last ten years, my local woods have been hacked down to make way for two big new estates, including blocks of flats. And at the other end of the village another giant estate is under construction. We've also just heard that 800 new homes are going to be built on the long road that connects our village to the town. That road is clogged with traffic now, so what the hell is it going to be like when we add an extra thousand cars?!

No matter how many of these ghastly rabbit huts they jam on top of one another we always need more, more, more. Obviously Labour won't do anything about it. On the contrary, they'll be much worse. And make no mistake, this problem isn't going away. In spite of concerns about falling birth rates, the world's population is still growing. In 1960 there were three billion humans. Today there are eight billion and we're heading for ten. It looks like the world's population will peak in the 2050s, just as climate change begins to bite. Right now there are awful heatwaves in southern Europe and central America. In fact, Mexico just broke its record heat. Pretty soon people are going to start moving en mass. Either we face up to this or we'll be overwhelmed. I'm all for helping people, don't get me wrong. The rich countries have a moral duty to help the poor. But allowing millions of people onto this small, crowded little island isn't the answer.

What is your solution to the immigration numbers?

Cooper77 · 22/06/2024 18:14

Yes, I will be voting Reform. Politically, I'd describe myself as a moderate conservative, or even a left-leaning Tory, but I am very worried about immigration. The conservatives have utterly failed to deal with the issue, and pretty much ignored voter's concerns. They deserve to be punished. In 2022, 750,000 extra people settled in this country (when you add in illegal immigrants, it may well have been a million). It's just insane, and it can't go on. To house that many people we'll need to build three new Manchesters. WHERE? Obviously, on what is left of the British countryside. But I don't want more houses and cars. I want more trees and fields and silence. In the last ten years, my local woods have been hacked down to make way for two big new estates, including blocks of flats. And at the other end of the village another giant estate is under construction. We've also just heard that 800 new homes are going to be built on the long road that connects our village to the town. That road is clogged with traffic now, so what the hell is it going to be like when we add an extra thousand cars?!

No matter how many of these ghastly rabbit huts they jam on top of one another we always need more, more, more. Obviously Labour won't do anything about it. On the contrary, they'll be much worse. And make no mistake, this problem isn't going away. In spite of concerns about falling birth rates, the world's population is still growing. In 1960 there were three billion humans. Today there are eight billion and we're heading for ten. It looks like the world's population will peak in the 2050s, just as climate change begins to bite. Right now there are awful heatwaves in southern Europe and central America. In fact, Mexico just broke its record heat. Pretty soon people are going to start moving en mass. Either we face up to this or we'll be overwhelmed. I'm all for helping people, don't get me wrong. The rich countries have a moral duty to help the poor. But allowing millions of people onto this small, crowded little island isn't the answer.

fungipie · 22/06/2024 17:30

taxguru · 22/06/2024 17:21

Spoiling the paper is utterly pointless. No one cares.

A proper vote will make far more of an impression.

A tactical one, in many constituencies, even more so.

fungipie · 22/06/2024 17:23

Did you hear that woman the other day on a TV election programme, who said she was so fed up of immigrants, she wanted to go and live abroad herself?

How deluded, hypocritical and plain stupid can you be? Bet she voted Brexit too and does not even understand the consequences of that!

taxguru · 22/06/2024 17:21

EnjoyingTheSilence · 22/06/2024 17:15

I cant belive that people would rather support and re for reform than spoil their paper.

I get people are unhappy with the current choices, but reform?! Really?

The views farage holds are revolting. I watched the party political broadcast last night, was very slick and I can see why people would think that’s reasonable but surely people don’t just base who their voting for on that alone?

Spoiling the paper is utterly pointless. No one cares.

A proper vote will make far more of an impression.

EnjoyingTheSilence · 22/06/2024 17:15

I cant belive that people would rather support and re for reform than spoil their paper.

I get people are unhappy with the current choices, but reform?! Really?

The views farage holds are revolting. I watched the party political broadcast last night, was very slick and I can see why people would think that’s reasonable but surely people don’t just base who their voting for on that alone?

cupcaske123 · 22/06/2024 17:14

fungipie · 22/06/2024 16:54

He pretends to be a nationalist, but his recent comments about his admiration for Putin, and how the EU forced him into declaring war and killing thousands and part destroying Ukraine, make him nothing less than a TRAITOR

I would have thought Brexit was traitorous enough. He's been open for a while about his admiration for people like Enoch Powell, Trump and Putin. The massive cuts he's talking about are pretty traitorous as are the rights he wants to take away from women and vulnerable minorities.

EnjoyingTheSilence · 22/06/2024 17:12

@Blackcats7 love it!

Blackcats7 · 22/06/2024 17:04

EnjoyingTheSilence · 22/06/2024 16:49

@Blackcats7 whats wrong with Depeche Mode?!

Nothing. Saw them at the Gaumont in Southampton 1982/3 ish. Whilst sporting my purple ( well more burgundy now I come to remember it better) hair.

fungipie · 22/06/2024 16:54

He pretends to be a nationalist, but his recent comments about his admiration for Putin, and how the EU forced him into declaring war and killing thousands and part destroying Ukraine, make him nothing less than a TRAITOR

EnjoyingTheSilence · 22/06/2024 16:49

@Blackcats7 whats wrong with Depeche Mode?!

Validus · 22/06/2024 15:17

not the right’s ability to admit that actually the things they are blaming for problems aren’t actually the problem and they are wrong

It’s only your opinion that they are wrong. That they are targeting the wrong things. Their opinion is that they are not wrong and these are the problems they care about. you think the facts support you. They disagree.

Both sides have to engage, explore facts and actually try to understand both perspectives. And on the Brexit issues, both sides could Marshall actual facts to support them (plus a lot of lies). A balanced view was possible, but mostly drowned out by the frankly disappointing posturing and media sound bites.

I think Brexit is a fantastic example of what happens when governments fail to carry the people with them. When they ignore and belittle valid concerns. Eventually they’ll get a bloody nose.

RafaistheKingofClay · 22/06/2024 14:41

Validus · 22/06/2024 07:46

I would recommend that the citizens of mumsnet stop ‘othering’ and monstering Reform and its voters. And start encouraging the other parties to actually talk about issues like security, defence and immigration and its effects. Otherwise the exact same thing will happen as with Brexit - those who aren’t listened to by the main parties will simply vote for the ones that bother to engage with them.

The reduction of international relationships and all disputes to ‘good guys’ and ‘bad guys’ with nary a though is also unhelpful. Reality has nuance. It is also perfectly possible to recognise that evil people can be strategically brilliant or good orators without condoning what they chose to do with that skill. Pretending they were dumb as a box of rocks is stupid and reflects more on the commentator making such a suggestion. But hey, we live in a Hollywoodised era where apparently people are incapable of logic or reasoned discussion.

The sheer arrogance shown on most threads by left wing voters is astounding. As is the description of policies that are merely right of (true) centre as ‘extreme far right’. They are not. Most police's and positions that the modern left objects to have in fact been proposed in the past by politicians on ‘the left’.

This election is going the same way as Brexit - and the ‘left’s’ Refusal to engage like grown ups with issues that do actually concern a large part of the population is going to have the same effect now as it did then. It was 17.4m “fuck offs” back then. That’s a wide pool for any party to drawn from.

Not sure Brexit is a great example. Why is it the responsibility of the left to engage ( which they often do) and not the right’s ability to admit that actually the things they are blaming for problems aren’t actually the problem and they are wrong.

There are ma y posters who have spent a lot of time on here either pointing out lies told by the leave side or lies told about immigration. It changes very little. Lots of people would rather do politics by soundbite and taking the easy option of listening to lies than educate themselves or consider a different opinion.

If Brexit is the lesson we should be learning from then I suppose the lesson is ‘I told you so.’ And people might want to consider who is the fool if they get shafted by Farage twice.

cupcaske123 · 22/06/2024 14:29

boys3 · 22/06/2024 14:25

We're the 6th largest economy on earth and 21st re GDP per capita. My point still stands

@cupcaske123 If your point relates to millions are using food banks and a quarter of kids are in absolute poverty then we're on the same page. But we are in an economic mess, much of our own making. We 100% do need improved investment, improved productivity, and improved policy development and delivery by whoever forms the next gov, and a much more collaborative approach to the problems we face rather than the current ideological and dogma driven approach.

Do I think Reform are the answer? Not in the slightest. But their very existence and level of possible support should be a massive wake up call.

Hear hear.

boys3 · 22/06/2024 14:25

We're the 6th largest economy on earth and 21st re GDP per capita. My point still stands

@cupcaske123 If your point relates to millions are using food banks and a quarter of kids are in absolute poverty then we're on the same page. But we are in an economic mess, much of our own making. We 100% do need improved investment, improved productivity, and improved policy development and delivery by whoever forms the next gov, and a much more collaborative approach to the problems we face rather than the current ideological and dogma driven approach.

Do I think Reform are the answer? Not in the slightest. But their very existence and level of possible support should be a massive wake up call.