If you were 'politically homeless' have you now found a home?

You cannot just say “let’s make it work”. It’s as hollow as “Get Brexit done” and other such slogans. It’s bereft of ideas and how you can grow the economy. Yet again, today, it’s zero growth. We are total fools and Brexit was a huge mistake. We have let Farage and others dictate the agenda and quite simply, it’s no odds to them. Foolish people suck up the rhetoric. It will be nationalism and far right leaning politics next. The gullible aren’t capable of learning. In many ways Labour will get in because of Brexit and our lack of growth, as they advocate “change”. Yet another ludicrously simple word with no clarity of thought, let alone accurate costing. Looks like the public will be duped yet again. It’s for this reason so many don’t have a political home.

I have considered myself politically homeless for some time and have been eager to see what is on offer as an alternative to labour and conservative as I have lost faith in both.
I was considering voting Green until they made it clear that an annual salary of £50k is considered well off. I earn half that but I don't think £50k is a huge salary and it really doesn't encourage people to aspire to earn more over time. I live in the SE of England where a 3 bed home is £1700 a month plus and a requirement income of 40 x the rent is normal.
How is anyone supposed to buy a home if high rents and…comparatively low wages aren't addressed?

The reason the main Parties are not talking about Brexit is because it is over for us. There is no way back.
Just suppose we tried.
We would have to get it through House of Commons, then House of Lords
Then we wait for EU to say yes and wait for them to decide how much to charge us.
Imagine Hungary and France and Spain agreeing as well as the 28 or others. There would be new countries by then Serbia, Macedonia?
Then back to Parliament and only then a Referendum. It would take at least three Parliaments.
Face the truth. No Way Back. We are on our own and have to make the best of it. So lets make it work!
All IMHO of course.

grow the economy

Yup, and the quickest and easiest way to put 4% on GDP is to rejoin the single market.

But neither the Tories nor Labour are willing to even discuss the B word.

@Northernnature Lots of Labour voters do think there is a bottomless pit of money for all these changes and improvements. As massive borrowing isn’t going to happen, there are two options, grow the economy or cut services to what you can afford. The idea that a league table of richness means you can afford everything you want is obviously ludicrous. A very rich country called the USA doesn’t hsve a nhs. It’s pretty clear the OBR will put brakes on and no political party is being honest about what we can afford. The piggy bank and every piggy bank we might raid is empty. The parties just are not facing up to reality and Lsbour voters aren’t either.

Still homeless politically. In my very blue, unlikely to change constituency, my only option is Tory or Lib Dem.

Our Lib Dem candidate is a decent, local politician, but not sure how they would fare in Westminster. Tory candidate is meh at best, but had a huge majority at the last election.

I did the Iside with quiz linked above, and not at all surprised that I align with Labour, however their pledge to provide 8500 mental health jobs, increase health appointments is just words on a page. We are so deep in Toryville here, I haven't heard a peep from Labour.

So I'll be voting Lib Dem.

I do wish people would stop quoting this misleading statistic we are 28th gdp per capita (the only statistic that matters) and falling fast as we have more low skilled immigration that is a net cost.And the "super wealthy" already pay more than their fair share (unless you are including companies like Amazon which I tend to agree with) taxing them even more will just make them leave the country faster than they are now.

"The money isn't there"

The UK is the 6th largest economy in the world. What Wes Streeting means is that Labour won't tackle the huge concentrations of wealth in society by redistributing some of it. Good if you're super rich, bad if you rely on public services or the NHS

Vote Green or Independent to hold zkS to account

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I regularly visit different areas of the UK for work and visiting friends and family; what strikes me is how different they can be in terms of demographics, culture and economics. From the posters on this thread I think everyone is just telling us what is their current reality and experience based on where they live so I would say don’t dismiss what some else’s reality is like. For example the demographics, culture and economics of inner city London compared with rural South west Norfolk are chalk and cheese but they are both real and hold positives and challenges for those living in these places.

Reform is just another UKIP. No thanks.

I am usually a Labour voter but the school VAT thing negatively effects me (I can't see how it will raise enough to change anything before I get jumped on with "think of the children") and I feel concerned that Starmer is going to increase grammar schools, which is largely why we have to use private in the first place. It works for him and his London lifestyle but not for a lot of people in grammar areas with SEN for example - he's penalising my child for dyslexia frankly. I can't understand his morals on this and it has made me look at Labour in more detail - to find there's not much forthcoming about costing or what will change for the better/proper plans. It's an unpopular opinion on here as everyone loves Labour but then aren't being negatively affected by their policies, so it's obvious for them who to vote for.

In my area the Libs always do well and I've seen first hand work on the pollution and pot holes, so I am going there this time.

Give it up @Alexandra2001 most of my life we have had these things including 80s and 90s when the country was much more united and less chaotic so don't need to "imagine" it. Not to say most of the world outside Europe seems to manage perfectly fine and they have some of the same issues with low birth rates etc. as us (and again which uk had in 80s/90s as birthrates have not been at replacement rate since 1972).

Torries Labour same fiscal rules which means continuing austerity a political choice not an economic nessessity. Greens will properly fund our NHS. Tax the wealthiest which is what this country desperately needs to fund our public services. Labour will win Tories are toast so vote Greens or Independents to hold Starmer to account.
I hope Starmer and Streeting both loae their seats as they are establishment no change there.

People who want these things have not thought through what they mean in practical terms for themselves or are insulated from their impacts.

Even under FPTP, political parties can disappear and be replaced....

Even if Reform don't do so well, their ideas are being embraced by the Tories and to some extent by Labour too.

I will be voting Labour, but I agree that Reform is providing a home for politically homeless voters.

If you want lower taxes, smaller government, free markets, reduced government spending, abolishing ‘green’ taxes to reduce energy bills, a reduction of the welfare dependency culture, a crackdown on ‘wokery’ and real action on uncontrolled mass immigration rather than just more empty words, then the Conservatives don’t represent your views any more than Labour do. If you want to vote for a real right wing agenda, that’s what Reform are offering.

@Alexandra2001 The two parties are very different, which comes back to why someone thinking Reform would also consider SDP....
Since neither stand a snowballs; it is a harmless protest vote or a tactical vote.

Thats about it, they are more in line with Corbyn on most issues.

The two parties are very different, which comes back to why someone thinking Reform would also consider SDP....

@Northernnature To other posters noone is against small scale immigration or blame actual immigrants, it is the scale that's a problem. GDP may go up of course it will but our GDP per capita is going down (which is the only figure that matters) and we are now 21st largest and falling.

That should be preecisely enough to tell you that immigration is not the cause of our problems. GDP per capita is stagnant because of woefully poor productivity and lack of investment. Population increase due to immigration is the only thing that compensates for this and makes GDP growth as a whole not look so bad.

You have to click on the graph @Defenestre as periods aren't clear without doing that. That clearly shows that spending was higher from 2010 than it was in the 90s

I didn't say it wasn't higher; I said there was a decline through that period (2010 >). 2008-10 was a big like Covid (though much less extreme) due to the fallout from the financial crash.

That decline contributed to declining levels of quality and provision, just as the increase through the period of Labour government before it led to increasing ones. People get hung up about specific anecdotal problems and cherry picking them to prove what they want to believe, but really it's not rocket science to work out that overall, once you smooth out the bumps along the way and look at the big picture, you'll get better results if you spend more. That's true of pretty much everything in life so it would be surprising if it weren't true of running a public service.

@Alexandra2001 SDP are on the same wavelength as Reform in that they are Eurosceptic, I agree Reform arts not socially conservative as I am ie I believe in supporting the family as we have the worse family breakdown in Europe which leads to alot of problems. Unfortunately sdp don't have alot of traction in our rubbish fptp system so not standing in my area although Reform are so very much a protest vote for me.
To other posters noone is against small scale immigration or blame actual immigrants, it is the scale that's a problem. GDP may go up of course it will but our GDP per capita is going down (which is the only figure that matters) and we are now 21st largest and falling.

No. It works regardless of that, because the OVERALL, NET effect of the immigration AS A WHOLE is economically positive. Some of them have four children or relatives with them needing a hip replacement. Guess what? So do some British people. As a general observation, that's completely irrelevant to the issue. The only thing that's relevant is how the cost of that compares to the input provided by those people's economic activity and tax contributions.

You can think what you want, but a number of studies have crunched the numbers and found the overall balance is positive. By far the most obvious reason for that is that MOST immigrants aren't coming here as babies, whereas ALL native British people (by definition) started that way. It's weird how all the people who are so quick to point the finger at the Asian couple ahead of them in the queue at A&E or on the housing list, are so oblivious to just what a humungous expense it is to the country educating, providing free healthcare to and generally looking after people like themselves for the first two decades of their life.

So much this. Any time the left vote is split the right take advantage and consolidate and move further right. But this rare time that the right vote is split, labour… continue to drift vaguely rightwards. Which makes the long term outlook if reform do well this time start to look pretty chilling.