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If you were 'politically homeless' have you now found a home?

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kinkytoes · 08/06/2024 06:47

I saw an interesting thread on Twitter that said Reform UK is now providing an option for those who previously felt they had nowhere to go.

Does this apply to you? Or have you decided to just 'hold your nose' and vote for someone you'd really rather not (best of a bad bunch)?

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verdantverdure · 23/06/2024 13:33

I have a tactical vote.

That’s all I need for now.

I’m planning to do the Vote For Policies comparison and see who I am most aligned with if I have the time and rain space today.

Roundeartheratchriatmas · 23/06/2024 13:05

I am in a real quandary.

Labour safe seat. Local labour MP is generally a decent person.

However I cannot bring myself to vote labour due to their women’s right stance.

I won’t never vote Tory or reform and the Greens are a no no.

We have no one else standing. I may have to spoil my ballot.

Snugglemonkey · 23/06/2024 09:56

Still politically homeless. Fir the first time ever, I might not vote, or spoil my vote. There is no tolerable choice for me here. It is terrible.

TizerorFizz · 23/06/2024 09:46

@kinkytoes Ive just listened to Tobias Elwood on Radio 5. He described the hire and fire of modern politics which means politicians don’t get to stay in roles for more than 5 minutes. The second you disagree with the pm (in his case Johnson) you are out. He said it produces followers and not people who will speak up. If they do, they are out. I totally agreed with what he said. He believes all parties have talent but it’s under utilized due to “politics”. That sums up how I feel too. Critical thinking within political parties is unwelcome. Following and not saying what you believe is valued.

Obviously some people should go (Braverman) but minor disagreements should be worked through because the talent is sidelined otherwise.

SlothOnARope · 22/06/2024 21:14

I haven't found my forever home, no. More like a shorthold tenancy for maximum 4 years until the next election, then I may renew allegiance or not, depending on what they've done in that time.

kinkytoes · 22/06/2024 17:01

@Noddedoffagain trouble is, other parties are also looking at those areas AND they are honest about what a woman really is.

If someone can't be honest about that, I don't trust them on anything else.

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Noddedoffagain · 21/06/2024 22:48

RespiceFinemKarma · 21/06/2024 22:45

Lib dems cover those areas as well.
Can I ask why you think out of the entire thread I am the only person voting for something they personally like more than the other offerings?

I saw your post and was curious. So I asked.

RespiceFinemKarma · 21/06/2024 22:45

Noddedoffagain · 21/06/2024 22:13

Can I ask why you vote for just your own personal circumstances rather than the bigger issues that affect us all? Like climate change and crumbling public services?

Lib dems cover those areas as well.
Can I ask why you think out of the entire thread I am the only person voting for something they personally like more than the other offerings?

Noddedoffagain · 21/06/2024 22:22

OoodlesofNoodles · 21/06/2024 22:14

https://www-bbc-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58698406.amp?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQIUAKwASCAAgM%3D#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=17190035002057&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com still undecided but this has massively put me off Labour. Also can't stand our Tory candidate here who has done nothing for our town in previous years having held the seat for around 12 years. Who bloody knows, best make my mind up eh?

If you’ve had a full hysterectomy and don’t have a cervix you are still a woman.

I get the safe single sex spaces is an issue and Labour have said they will protect these. Trans women in women’s category sports is also an issue. But there are many other issues facing the UK and humanity;

Climate change
WWIII starting
public services crumbling
poverty and inequality
water pollution
air pollution
economy
crime
housing

I could go on.

Noddedoffagain · 21/06/2024 22:14

Isleoftights · 21/06/2024 22:12

Anyone but Labour.

Why?

Noddedoffagain · 21/06/2024 22:13

RespiceFinemKarma · 10/06/2024 10:01

Reform is just another UKIP. No thanks.

I am usually a Labour voter but the school VAT thing negatively effects me (I can't see how it will raise enough to change anything before I get jumped on with "think of the children") and I feel concerned that Starmer is going to increase grammar schools, which is largely why we have to use private in the first place. It works for him and his London lifestyle but not for a lot of people in grammar areas with SEN for example - he's penalising my child for dyslexia frankly. I can't understand his morals on this and it has made me look at Labour in more detail - to find there's not much forthcoming about costing or what will change for the better/proper plans. It's an unpopular opinion on here as everyone loves Labour but then aren't being negatively affected by their policies, so it's obvious for them who to vote for.

In my area the Libs always do well and I've seen first hand work on the pollution and pot holes, so I am going there this time.

Can I ask why you vote for just your own personal circumstances rather than the bigger issues that affect us all? Like climate change and crumbling public services?

Isleoftights · 21/06/2024 22:12

Anyone but Labour.

Noddedoffagain · 21/06/2024 22:11

verdantverdure · 19/06/2024 20:18

I'm voting tactically for whoever can win in our constituency who isn't our Tory MP.

www.getvoting.org/

That’s brilliant.

Noddedoffagain · 21/06/2024 22:10

lovelysunshine22 · 08/06/2024 08:01

I would vote reform but no candidate is standing in my area, so green it is!

Did you know that Farage supports the views of Andrew Tate. Blokes should be proud to be blokey. Tate believes women should be the property of men and kept at home without possessions. He’s in trial for rape amongst other things. Would you really vote for a company (Reform are a company rather than a political party) that stands alongside such a man?

verdantverdure · 19/06/2024 20:58

kinkytoes · 19/06/2024 20:51

I don't like tactical voting, but I do that that meme @verdantverdure

I’m glad. :)

I live in a Tory safe seat.

I can vote for the Tory MP’s biggest opposition or I can help him win by voting for literally anyone else.

It concentrates the mind somewhat when it is that simple.

kinkytoes · 19/06/2024 20:51

I don't like tactical voting, but I do that that meme @verdantverdure

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verdantverdure · 19/06/2024 20:18

I'm voting tactically for whoever can win in our constituency who isn't our Tory MP.

www.getvoting.org/

If you were 'politically homeless' have you now found a home?
Trezo · 17/06/2024 10:22

Labour are losing support because GB Energy is NOT an energy company but a device to funnel public funds to the private energy sector. It will not

  1. produce energy
  2. sell energy
  3. own any energy infrastructure And there's no explanation as to how it will reduce bills

It's A Con!

NewGirlinClass · 13/06/2024 08:55

@MotherofPearl "It would be in the EU's own economic interests to readmit the UK."
Yes, I will accept at face value your assertion that it would be in their economic interest.
But I doubt the political argument would be accepted without question, France would certainly be wary. Try as we might to keep to an economic argument. It always seemed that the EU brought politics into everything including the price of apples. French farmers blocking Spanish trucks of fruit at the border. Fishing for instance was a nightmare for the negotiators.
Did they miss us? Have there been 'regrets' that we were no longer members? Did political commentators ever write half a page on how nice it would be if we could be enticed back?

MotherofPearl · 13/06/2024 07:56

@NewGirlinClass

It would be in the EU's own economic interests to readmit the UK.

I agree that rejoining the EU in the short term would be a difficult political manoeuvre to pull off.

But rejoining the single market and customs union is entirely possible and would bring huge economic benefit (and polls suggest that a majority of people would now support this) - it's just that neither of the two biggest parties are willing to even have that conversation.

NewGirlinClass · 12/06/2024 21:59

@MotherofPearl . It is not up to us, the UK. We have to persuade the other countries that it is in their best interest to have us back.
Imagine yourself as a citizen of a small town in France or a major city of Germany, would you want this squabbling aggressive country back into your club?
What can we offer them that is of benefit? What might they want that they do not currently have?
All I can think of is the Financial Expertise in City of London. Oh! and the legal centre that we are.
@MotherofPearl If you have good reasons to think it can be done quickly please explain.

It would take ages, perhaps 15 years.

MotherofPearl · 12/06/2024 19:08

NewGirlinClass · 12/06/2024 13:09

The reason the main Parties are not talking about Brexit is because it is over for us. There is no way back.
Just suppose we tried.
We would have to get it through House of Commons, then House of Lords
Then we wait for EU to say yes and wait for them to decide how much to charge us.
Imagine Hungary and France and Spain agreeing as well as the 28 or others. There would be new countries by then Serbia, Macedonia?
Then back to Parliament and only then a Referendum. It would take at least three Parliaments.
Face the truth. No Way Back. We are on our own and have to make the best of it. So lets make it work!
All IMHO of course.

Making econocide work?

Brexit has been a dismal failure. It doesn't work. It can't work. We are all worse off. Wake up.

Defenestre · 12/06/2024 18:20

The idea that a league table of richness means you can afford everything you want is obviously ludicrous. A very rich country called the USA doesn’t hsve a nhs.

That's a non sequiter. The fact that the USA doesn't HAVE a NHS doesn't mean that they can't afford one.

Defenestre · 12/06/2024 18:19

I was considering voting Green until they made it clear that an annual salary of £50k is considered well off. I earn half that but I don't think £50k is a huge salary and it really doesn't encourage people to aspire to earn more over time.

50K puts one in the top 20% of the UK's income distribution. If the top 20% of earners are not well off, what proportion would you say are?

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