To say I am fucking elated that this bunch of charlatans are on there way out

Thinking more specifically about the bursary issue.

Given that we don't have facts or details I've been letting my imagination work on this as others (including the Telegraph) obviously have.

I imagine that things will evolve.......as they did when Keir Starmer's school changed during his education there. A tailing off of things will allow pupils to remain in place and then changes will be phased in over time. Obviously my imaginings, but based on what has happened generally in the past (to Keir and others), not unreasonable imaginings.

Bursaries might be reduced, but, imagining things happen as they did last time Labour were in power - education generally will improve greatly. Between 1997 - 2010 we had -
Record levels of literacy and numeracy in schools
Young people achieving some of the best ever results at 14, 16, and 18
Record number of students in higher education
2,200 Sure Start Children’s Centres
Over 36,000 more teachers in England and 274,000 more support staff and teaching assistants
Doubling of the number of apprenticeships
and
Free entry to national museums and galleries.

So overall, under Labour, across the much wider population education and opportunity for young people improved dramatically. So in my imagination - based on experience - over a short period changes will be made that will alter how things are done for the minority, but overall the vast majority will benefit from better educational opportunities.

I already hear you say, 'But who will fund that'.
It's a funny old world where many of us remember (and perhaps benefitted) from that period of investment in education and yet have more recently got so used to being told 'there's no money for the ordinary people'. What a trick they have played whilst heating their stables and building their indoor pools.

We have become accustomed to being treated like an expensive nuisance. Like second class citizens handed shoddy goods by a government who has 'more important' things to do with our money. There clearly is money available when pressed. Covid/HS2 etc proved that.

Education of the wider population ruddy well should be a priority or else all else fails and worsens over time. You don't need your imagination to see that happening now.

What is the Conservative plan for education?
What have the Conservatives done for education since 2010?
Do the Conservatives have past measures of success in education equal to the 1997 -2010 period?

@Zonder Ha- I say that too- they could come in, do sod all apart from not be corrupt and the vibe would immediately improve - I personally think they have a few plants on here as certain people are only ever on political threads- which to me isa bit odd - maybe Labour do that too I don't know. You have to be a real I'm all right Jack , pony club, Hampshirevillages type to actually not see that this bunch need to go , and nit picking about details of starmers education 50 years ago really is scraping the barrel- let's just say he wasn't Eton- like me he was grammar school - and I 100% agree about the private school thing-the fact is they aren't charities and yet have been allowed to act as if they are. I think they should bring in concessions for parents who have children sent there due to various special needs for disablement etc or maybe boarding schools where parents are away with the forces etc and get an allowance for this - but that's it- as you say though they haven't announced a manifesto - quite rightly!! Neither would I - the Tory's are out of ideas- anything that sounds good to the public- they will Nick

Most parents prefer continuity especially if it’s bursary related or dc has SEN

Which is why displacing dc due to this policy isn’t worth the very small amount it raises, if that

Not as far as I know.

However, as when Labour were in power last time they gave us 85,000 more nurses, I am more optimistic about them having a solution than the current Conservative government. We currently have less nurses than we had in 2010 despite a nearly 7% increase in population over that time.

Between 1997 and 2010 -
Heart disease deaths down by 150,000 and cancer deaths down by 50,000.
32,000 more doctors.
NHS Direct set up.
Inpatient waiting lists down by over half a million.

14 years of Tory and children go hungry

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/kids-hungry-theyre-eating-rubbers-32756699

Pupils are hiding in the playground because they don't want their friends to know they have no lunch & don’t qualify for free school meals.

That's a no then.

I explained this once to you. I'll just do it again and perhaps you will understand.

Labour have 14 years of damage to undo. They cannot tackle everything in the first few months. Do you expect them to have already given a response to what they will do in every single area the Tories have fucked?

And if so do you also expect the same of the Tories?

Secondly, and very obviously, because as I said the Tory grabbers would nick and cock up any half decent ideas, they haven't published their manifesto. Nor have the Tories. Nobody would expect them to because Sunak hasn't called a bloody election yet!

i really hope you understand now. I won't be trying to make it any simpler.

if the Tory's are that amazing then they should be campaigning on their achievements- on here it seems that people who may/may not have a vested interest can only answer on basically finding negative things about Starmer.

This with bells on.
All they can say is "the plan". The plan is destroying the country and all they can say is oo you don't want chaos with labour. What a joke!

Frankly labour could do very little and still be a vast improvement on the current lot.

I actually think that the rot started with Thatcher - telling us that privatisation would improve services when now our utilities/public sector are expensive and fucked. The billionaire owned right wing media have ruined this country and are waiting to pounce if Starmer so much as looks at the EU, suggests that they pay tax etc. I'm disgusted by the Tories and by the fptp voting system.

@marmaladeandpeanutbutter totally- if the Tory's are that amazing then they should be campaigning on their achievements- on here it seems that people who may/may not have a vested interest can only answer on basically finding negative things about Starmer. You now you gave an issue when that's all you can campaign on. Starmer will eat this current bunch for breakfast - the current cabinet and PM are the most unimaginative bunch of screwballs and dullards you could find in politics - and Sunak is totally out of his depth

@Clavinova If it's alright with you, I won't revisit your post. Codebreaking is not my thang.

StarlingsForever
The IFS heard something similar to you? What does that even mean?

That's pretty obvious as well. It's getting late - perhaps you should read my post again in the morning. I'm signing off.

Do you care that the Conservatives took it away?

Personally I don't believe the two should be linked. I believe that taxation of any service should be deemed appropriate or not on a stand alone basis, not from the perspective of what the money may be used for.

The state sector is needing a lot of help but common sense says the money raised from taxing @ 20% the fees of a 7% sector wouldn't really solve that much, particularly if some children are displaced into the state sector. However, I do think most would probably stay and that switches would be phased with children leaving at logical points and that would avoid any shock waves.

When I talk about hyperbole it is really in relation to all the conjecture (and scaremongering) around the topic when we really don't know the details at this stage.

Pretty obvious - if Labour have already pledged to reinstate student nurse bursaries then someone would pop up and say so.

I would care if any child were to suffer regardless of economic background but we don't yet know if any will as we don't know the details.

The IFS heard something similar to you? What does that even mean?

How is that a No?

Back to your non sequiturs. You know that doesn't make sense, right? You can't just make something up and pretend it's fact unless you're in the Tory government

That's a no then.

Honestly give them time. There's 14 years of destruction to undo and obviously they haven't published their manifesto yet because the Tory grabbers would nick and cock up any half decent ideas

You don't answer any questions

Yes I do!

At this stage the policy is purely hypothetical and no details are as yet known. Therefore I have no idea to what extent (if any at all) it will affect children.

Hypothetically then, would you care if bursary children were the ones to suffer the most from Labour's policy?

Would you care to elaborate on the detail of what Bridget Phillipson said?
Without context or further explanation, nobody has the first clue what you are talking about.

The context was, Bridget Phillipson stressing that the funding would be targeted at disadvantaged pupils attending state schools - in an interview on LBC.

I've googled for you. I see the IFS heard something similar to me - it's mentioned in their report;

The Labour party has proposed a package of policies to remove tax exemptions from private schools. Most importantly in revenue terms, it has proposed levying VAT on private school fees. The revenue raised would then be used to increase state school spending and would be targeted at pupils from disadvantaged backgrounds.

I think it is part of it, but also isn’t that a good thing if so?

Hyperbole sounds negative

I mean I’m not keen on the policy as I think the displacement and downsides outweigh the tiny amount raised, but why is going to disadvantaged children hyperbole or an issue?

Again. Because no one knows the detail of said hypothetical policy.

You don't answer any questions so it is quite strange of you to repeatedly demand answers of others. At this stage the policy is purely hypothetical and no details are as yet known. Therefore I have no idea to what extent (if any at all) it will affect children.

Would you care to elaborate on the detail of what Bridget Phillipson said? Without context or further explanation, nobody has the first clue what you are talking about.

Churchview
More people will have been negatively impacted by the Conservative removal of bursaries for student nurses.

Have Labour pledged to bring back the bursary?