If labour wins the next GE are they likely to overturn the ban on puberty blockers and disregard the Cass Report?

That’s not feminism then is it?

Wes Streeting has given a statement on official Labour position, in his role as shadow health Secretary:

"My response for @UKLabour underlining our support for the Cass Review’s evidence-led recommendations and our determination to put children’s health and wellbeing above the political fray"

https://twitter.com/wesstreeting/status/1777835770184634751

I don't think there is any danger at all of them reversing the decision on puberty blockers.

There is no self ID but this stuff happens, mostly below the radar. That's my point.

A man with a GRC is considered legally a woman. But no one is allowed to ask if he has a GRC. Therefore, a man exposing himself in a female changing area is protected by self ID.

There is no self ID but this stuff happens, mostly below the radar. That's my point.

I do - but only in gay clubs and they NEVER said they were women

Even Eddie Izzard never used to say he was a woman. Yet now he feels emboldened to use female toilets just because, what, he wants to?

This is what self ID does. It gives men an open invitation and leaves women with no protections.

Until Labour are able to give an unequivocal message about the rights of children to grow up without being pressured into gender conformity and medicalisation, I can’t see it being a safe vote. There are plenty of people trying to undermine the Cass report and claiming it’s invalid.
Until they give an unequivocal message about women’s rights to single sex spaces being prioritised above a man’s right to affirmation, it’s not a safe vote. There are plenty of people wanting men accepted as women for some purposes.
Until labour give unequivocal messages about prisons, toilets, NHS and every other bloody battle line, it’s not safe.

It's quite ironic that until Johnson poisoned the well in 2019 reform of the process for obtaining a Gender Recognition Certificate was broadly a matter of consensus across all the main parties.

They will look at what is likely to get the most votes and do that.

I'm not getting in a debate with those of a GC perspective.

There's no point as there's a more or less binary divergence of view.

Don't trust Labour

But

Medical insurance and liability is deeply affected by Cass and this won't change with a new government.

@5GreenLeaves

"I also said 'noone should never be subject to violence or feel unsafe using the toilet' but you'll ignore that part..."

No, I'm not ignoring anything. Twice now you've used violent descriptive language so it wasn't a mistake or error of judgment. I would be disturbed to hear affirmative views on "battering" people or "turfing them out on their arse" pouring from the mouths of tiny children so your diminuitive size is irrelevant.

my feminism is the type to include trans women (to give you an idea of my belief system) but I would not support a U-turn from Labour on this and I honestly don’t think they would anyway - it’s not a concern for me.

I do - but only in gay clubs and they NEVER said they were women (even the fella who used to wear a red ball gown and heels, and used to chat to me about where I got my jewellery from).

I think Kier Starmer understands how toxic this debate has become. He certainly won’t want to do anything that alienates swathes of voters, equally he will want to be seen as inclusive and tolerant and be seen to be listening to his party. It’s a poisoned chalice and no one will ever be happy.

@5GreenLeaves

"And like I said, ive heard of it happening years and years ago and usually fathers turfed him out on his arse."

For someone who is supposedly anti violence, you are using very violent language. You've already said (with conspicuous approval) that someone in a dress would get "battered" and you're now talking about turfing them "out on their arse".

Regardless of your views on the trans issue, you sound quite unpleasant. I sincerely hope this isn't the sort of rhetoric you use in front of your children.

There is plenty of evidence. Even in this country.

Men can't be women. EVER! and ...
Men are a danger to women, therefore...
Men need to stay out of women only spaces

You do know it's grossly irresponsible to talk about suicide and self-harm in this way, don't you?

my point is that somebody who is doing a proper job of transition wouldn't present like a bloke in a dress

Regardless of how they 'present', they are actually a bloke in a dress. Transitioning doesn't change his sex.

This is a video recording sexual and physical assaults perpetrated by men self ID- ing as women. (UK only)

https://gendercriticalqrproject.com/2020/06/13/these-are-not-our-crimes/

@5GreenLeaves my point is that somebody who is doing a proper job of transition wouldn't present like a bloke in a dress.

I worked for a period of time with somebody transitioning male>female in their mid sixties. If I hadn't known their history I'd have assumed they were born female.