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If labour wins the next GE are they likely to overturn the ban on puberty blockers and disregard the Cass Report?

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5GreenLeaves · 21/04/2024 13:14

I want to vote for them but I'm so scared they will jump straight on the bandwagon and risk our kids safety. And women's.

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5GreenLeaves · 21/04/2024 17:50

AdamRyan · 21/04/2024 17:49

Anyway, I have no desire to hang around and be insulted on yet-another-trans thread. Although kudos to OP for a slightly more unusual thread title than normal.

Bye!! :)

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AdamRyan · 21/04/2024 17:49

Anyway, I have no desire to hang around and be insulted on yet-another-trans thread. Although kudos to OP for a slightly more unusual thread title than normal.

lifeturnsonadime · 21/04/2024 17:48

Bromptotoo · 21/04/2024 17:35

As I said upthread I'm not debating GC stuff.

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I guess when you can't answer basic questions (because there are no answers) no debate is the only response.

AdamRyan · 21/04/2024 17:47

NoWordForFluffy · 21/04/2024 17:45

Other women won't be.

And they're the ones whose opinions should count. Same as where one in a couple wants a(nother) child. The one who's against is the one who takes precedence.

Women's right to single-sex spaces shouldn't be given away if not ALL women are in agreement they should be. Another space needs to be found for mixed sex facilities.

Sadly for you this is a democracy not a marriage and everyone's opinions are equally valid. Even if they disagree with you.
You can cast your vote come the election same as everyone else.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 21/04/2024 17:45

Bromptotoo · 21/04/2024 13:42

@5GreenLeaves Men in transition have used women's facilities without complaint for as long as I've been adult - well over 40 years.

Self ID is just about paperwork. There's no evidence in countries that have it of it being abused to access women's spaces.

You'll be unaware of the goings on in Spain then.

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NoWordForFluffy · 21/04/2024 17:45

Other women won't be.

And they're the ones whose opinions should count. Same as where one in a couple wants a(nother) child. The one who's against is the one who takes precedence.

Women's right to single-sex spaces shouldn't be given away if not ALL women are in agreement they should be. Another space needs to be found for mixed sex facilities.

SwordToFlamethrower · 21/04/2024 17:42

Bromptotoo · 21/04/2024 13:42

@5GreenLeaves Men in transition have used women's facilities without complaint for as long as I've been adult - well over 40 years.

Self ID is just about paperwork. There's no evidence in countries that have it of it being abused to access women's spaces.

What a load of SHIT. Seeing as crime stats would record assaults and attacks as women's crimes, with no mention of them actually being male/trans, OF COURSE THERE WOULD BE NO BLOODY "EVIDENCE".

Not being arsed to collect data correctly is not the same as it not happening.

And there is data, in this country that men will assault women and girls in mixed sex places such as family changing rooms, more than they could in strictly single sex places.

AdamRyan · 21/04/2024 17:41

It's still irrelevant to OPs question though

AdamRyan · 21/04/2024 17:40

Underthinker · 21/04/2024 17:13

I don't think they'll reverse the decisions made as a result of the Cass report. Although they have a few MPs who would like to.

I think they will make it easier to get GRC.

And this is pure speculation but my guess regarding their plan for spaces would be to create a two tier system, where the single sex spaces people use day to day, such as toilets and changing rooms, will be based on legal sex (so women plus men with GRC) and spaces that are used by fewer people in more extreme circumstances (such as prisons and rape crisis centres) will be still be permitted to be purely based on biological sex. This would create a increase in the number of GRCs applied for under the new streamlined system. And in practice providers would have to assume that any male wanting to use a female space is probably entitled to because GRCs will be more common. But I'll be more than happy for this to be proved wrong when they publish their manifesto.

I think you are right and I think it will be helpful for them to say that because it will enable a conversation about where the line is.
I've thought for a while there is nothing to be gained from debating definition of woman. We need to be debating specific scenarios.
I personally would be very unhappy with TW in gym/swimming pool changing rooms, because of the communal undressing element.

Cubicle changing rooms/public toilets, I'm OK with. Other women won't be.

Viewfrommyhouse · 21/04/2024 17:40

5GreenLeaves · 21/04/2024 17:38

How sad is it that the first page of any biology book in creation is now subject to debate.

"There are men and there are women"

It's a sad state of affairs and quite frankly I find it embarrassing.

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It really is quite astonishing, isn't it?

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5GreenLeaves · 21/04/2024 17:40

Even the basis of this whole thing PROVES sex is binary.

You transition from one to another.

Because there are 2.

Or you feel like your gender isn't related to either BINARY SEX... so you identify as 'non BINARY'

See, non binary... Because sex is binary.

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NoWordForFluffy · 21/04/2024 17:40

5GreenLeaves · 21/04/2024 17:38

How sad is it that the first page of any biology book in creation is now subject to debate.

"There are men and there are women"

It's a sad state of affairs and quite frankly I find it embarrassing.

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It's utter nonsense.

But don't forget that over 50% of the population are below average intelligence. Maybe that has some bearing on the no 'debate'.

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5GreenLeaves · 21/04/2024 17:38

NoWordForFluffy · 21/04/2024 17:36

How about basic biology?

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How sad is it that the first page of any biology book in creation is now subject to debate.

"There are men and there are women"

It's a sad state of affairs and quite frankly I find it embarrassing.

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NoWordForFluffy · 21/04/2024 17:36

Bromptotoo · 21/04/2024 17:35

As I said upthread I'm not debating GC stuff.

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How about basic biology?

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5GreenLeaves · 21/04/2024 17:36

Bromptotoo · 21/04/2024 17:35

As I said upthread I'm not debating GC stuff.

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Saying sex is binary has nothing to do with being gender critical.

You can debate the spectrum of gender all you want.

But sex being binary is a fact and nothing to do with gender.

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Bromptotoo · 21/04/2024 17:36

5GreenLeaves · 21/04/2024 17:33

Sex is binary.

Some people have a medical deformity that causes them to be intersexed.

But that just means something has gone wrong and they were supposed to be one of the binary sexes, male or female.

Sex isn't a spectrum because some people are born with a deformity.

Some people are born with a 3rd leg or born with 1 leg.

Humans are still bipedal.

Legs aren't suddenly on a spectrum. Biology books will say humans have 2 legs.

If they have more legs than 2 or less we know something has gone wrong.

It's the same with biological sex.

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Whatever.

We just have to agree to differ.

Viewfrommyhouse · 21/04/2024 17:35

Bromptotoo · 21/04/2024 17:29

If you say so.

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I do. Because it's fact. Male or Female. Two. Binary. Unless there's a third gamete you've discovered and haven't told anyone?

Bromptotoo · 21/04/2024 17:35

Viewfrommyhouse · 21/04/2024 17:18

Sex is binary though.

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As I said upthread I'm not debating GC stuff.

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5GreenLeaves · 21/04/2024 17:33

Bromptotoo · 21/04/2024 17:29

If you say so.

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Sex is binary.

Some people have a medical deformity that causes them to be intersexed.

But that just means something has gone wrong and they were supposed to be one of the binary sexes, male or female.

Sex isn't a spectrum because some people are born with a deformity.

Some people are born with a 3rd leg or born with 1 leg.

Humans are still bipedal.

Legs aren't suddenly on a spectrum. Biology books will say humans have 2 legs.

If they have more legs than 2 or less we know something has gone wrong.

It's the same with biological sex.

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NoWordForFluffy · 21/04/2024 17:30

Bromptotoo · 21/04/2024 17:29

If you say so.

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What's the third sex?

Bromptotoo · 21/04/2024 17:29

Viewfrommyhouse · 21/04/2024 17:18

Sex is binary though.

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If you say so.

Viewfrommyhouse · 21/04/2024 17:18

Bromptotoo · 21/04/2024 14:12

I'm not getting in a debate with those of a GC perspective.

There's no point as there's a more or less binary divergence of view.

Sex is binary though.

caringcarer · 21/04/2024 17:14

No idea but Starlmer is totally taken with trans ideology. He thinks some women have a penis.

Underthinker · 21/04/2024 17:13

I don't think they'll reverse the decisions made as a result of the Cass report. Although they have a few MPs who would like to.

I think they will make it easier to get GRC.

And this is pure speculation but my guess regarding their plan for spaces would be to create a two tier system, where the single sex spaces people use day to day, such as toilets and changing rooms, will be based on legal sex (so women plus men with GRC) and spaces that are used by fewer people in more extreme circumstances (such as prisons and rape crisis centres) will be still be permitted to be purely based on biological sex. This would create a increase in the number of GRCs applied for under the new streamlined system. And in practice providers would have to assume that any male wanting to use a female space is probably entitled to because GRCs will be more common. But I'll be more than happy for this to be proved wrong when they publish their manifesto.

NoWordForFluffy · 21/04/2024 16:54

theworldie · 21/04/2024 16:46

I have no idea why my post was deleted.

Is it because I used the word “mangina”?
If so, it is used quite a lot on the feminist board without deletion.

MN - can you clarify why my post was deleted?

I've messaged you my emails with MNHQ.

There are people amongst us who bloody report anything and everything. It's amazing how deletions follow certain posters around. 🤔