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Angela Raynor (and the Lock her Up! Brigade)

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Itradehorses · 20/04/2024 10:46

So Angela Raynor allegedly gave the wrong address to the post office or something, and underpaid her tax bill ten years ago by the cost of a big shop, and this gets the Tories excited. Meanwhile, one of their MPs is defrauding campaign funds and other folks, they know, and don't tell the police for three months. James Daly MP must be furious. Am I right?

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Clavinova · 14/05/2024 18:48

Clavinova · 14/05/2024 18:02

DuncinToffee

As for the Mirror article in your link - that's clearly a rehash of an article they published in 2019. They have forgotten to update David Tredinnick's age. His age is stated as 69 in both articles - he is 74 now. The Mirror's 2019 article also features three Labour MPs;

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/revealed-politicians-who-profited-42million-14272507

In fact, they haven't updated Maria Miller's age either - she's 60 now, not 55.

justasking111 · 14/05/2024 18:04

Ssshhhh don't tell my husband, but I like her. She makes mistakes, her education wasn't extensive I think. She's been stupid over that house fracas. But compared to male politicians labour and tory she's squeaky clean.

She's great to listen to most of the time, sometimes she gets it really wrong I admit. But she's passionate about her constituency.

I think she has enemies in her own camp.

Clavinova · 14/05/2024 18:02

DuncinToffee

As for the Mirror article in your link - that's clearly a rehash of an article they published in 2019. They have forgotten to update David Tredinnick's age. His age is stated as 69 in both articles - he is 74 now. The Mirror's 2019 article also features three Labour MPs;

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/revealed-politicians-who-profited-42million-14272507

Clavinova · 14/05/2024 17:52

DuncinToffee · 13/05/2024 09:19

New information for Hodgson and the DM to get stuck into

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/four-tory-mps-who-made

Hardly new information - it's a rehash of old information. The Daily Mail did 'get stuck in'. Maria Miller was forced to resign her position and Eleanor Laing had to fight off a deselection attempt. I also note that a Labour MP referred Maria Miller to the Met Police. How does this help Angela Rayner?

2013 [Eleanor] Laing, who was a shadow justice minister in 2009, was forced to pay back £25,000 in the MPs’ expenses scandal and saw off an attempt to have her deselected as MP for Epping Forest.

She won a vote of confidence from her local party after anger that she sold her state-funded second home for a £1million profit without paying capital gains tax by calling it her ‘primary residence’.

After an outcry, she offered to pay back the money as a ‘moral gesture’.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2463712/Expenses-row-MP-Eleanor-Laing-new-deputy-speaker.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1189659/Tory-frontbencher-Eleanor-Laing-1m-profit-taxpayer-funded-flat--avoided-180-000-capital-gains-tax-bill.html

2014 As expenses row grows, Maria Miller insists she WILL pay capital gains tax on the London home she sold for £1.4million.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2598699/As-expenses-row-grows-Maria-Miller-insists-WILL-pay-capital-gains-tax-London-home-sold-1-4million.html

Maria Miller: Timeline of minister’s resignation;

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/conservative-mps-expenses/10748749/Maria-Miller-Timeline-of-ministers-resignation.html

Maria Miller's expenses claims referred to police by Labour MP;

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/apr/04/maria-miller-expenses-claims-referred-police-labour-mortgage

Zonder · 13/05/2024 20:20

DuncinToffee · 13/05/2024 09:21

For comparison, headlines from this weekend

But Angela Rayner....

Prawncow · 13/05/2024 10:59

From Wiki on Nadhim Zahawi

Sunak appointed Zahawi as Chairman of the Conservative Party and Minister without Portfolio on 25 October 2022 following his appointment as prime minister. On 29 January 2023, he was dismissed from the roles after Sunak's ethics adviser, Laurie Magnus, advised that he had breached the Ministerial Code by failing to disclose that he was being investigated by HM Revenue and Customs while he served in his previous position as Chancellor of the Exchequer under Johnson.

BIossomtoes · 13/05/2024 09:46

I imagine she’s spitting nails at the waste of police time for this mudslinging. I hope someone submits an FoI request to find out what it’s cost. And how many unattended burglaries there have been during the “investigation”.

IClaudine · 13/05/2024 09:38

Haha. I bet Ange is having a good laugh right now!

DuncinToffee · 13/05/2024 09:21

For comparison, headlines from this weekend

Angela Raynor (and the Lock her Up! Brigade)
Bromptotoo · 21/04/2024 13:28

@Viviennemary said: I'm not a legal expert but AFAIK the police cant 'clear' anybody.

If a police investigation into whatever offences are supposed to have been committed finds absolutely nothing concerning criminal matters than I think that counts as being cleared.

Viviennemary · 21/04/2024 13:12

DuncinToffee · 21/04/2024 09:32

A reminder that the police have already cleared Angela Rayner and that James Daly is refusing to say what she is being investigated for this time.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/labour-mp-angela-rayner-cleared-28798066

I'm not a legal expert but AFAIK the police cant 'clear' anybody. New information has come to light and there is still an investigation.

Itradehorses · 21/04/2024 12:58

@Bromptotoo I'm expecting the police to
Open their investigation any day now.

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Bromptotoo · 21/04/2024 12:56

onceandneveragain · 21/04/2024 12:48

is it a mistake so shocking that it really needs 3 exclamation marks? Confused

It's the second thread on the subject where the OP has made that mistake.

onceandneveragain · 21/04/2024 12:48

Bromptotoo · 20/04/2024 10:52

Her surname is Rayner not Raynor!!!

is it a mistake so shocking that it really needs 3 exclamation marks? Confused

Clavinova · 21/04/2024 12:47

Startingagainandagain
The main issue if the difference in treatment between the Tories and their mates and Angela Rayner.
If she has done something wrong then fair enough but I want to see the same scrutiny and police action for:

Michelle More

Michelle Mone has assets frozen amid National Crime Agency investigation

Are you suggesting the NCA freeze Angela Rayner's assets as well?

https://www.itv.com/news/2024-01-26/michelle-mone-has-assets-frozen-amid-national-crime-agency-investigation

Johnson; Hancock

Boris Johnson and Matt Hancock have had extensive scrutiny in the media and Johnson received a fixed penalty notice.

Sunak's wife and her tax affairs

Rishi Sunak's wife was taking advantage of a perfectly legal tax status - which the last Labour government had plenty of opportunity to scrap if they had wished to do so. Except that a number of Labour's wealthy donors at the time were non-doms themselves - plus the scheme benefited London's financial sector.

bombastix · 21/04/2024 12:40

@Bromptotoo has it. Unless there is enough for an interview you can assume that Angela Rayner is probably in the clear. This is why you have all the headlines about finding or not finding evidence.

The longer it goes on for without an interview the less merit there would seem to be. And the Conservatives are definitely not in charge of that decision

Bromptotoo · 21/04/2024 12:32

Clavinova · 21/04/2024 12:30

MrTiddlesTheCat
Dunno. Ask them

The obvious answer is, she hadn't spoken to either HMRC or the police as you suggested.

Given there's a police investigation it's pretty much nailed on that they will speak to her unless the evidence is son thin the investigation doesn't get off the ground.

If HMRC think there's wrongdoing they'll approach her.

Clavinova · 21/04/2024 12:30

MrTiddlesTheCat
Dunno. Ask them

The obvious answer is, she hadn't spoken to either HMRC or the police as you suggested.

MrTiddlesTheCat · 21/04/2024 12:26

Clavinova · 21/04/2024 12:25

MrTiddlesTheCat
HMRC have had a satisfactory explanation and say there is nothing to see. The police have already investigated and had a satisfactory explanation and said there's no crime. Her party and party leaders have had a satisfactory explanation

If Angela Rayner has already given a satisfactory explanation, why did her spokesperson say this;

"Angela looks forward to sitting down with the appropriate authorities, including the police and HMRC, to set out the facts and draw a line under this matter".

Dunno. Ask them.

Clavinova · 21/04/2024 12:25

MrTiddlesTheCat
HMRC have had a satisfactory explanation and say there is nothing to see. The police have already investigated and had a satisfactory explanation and said there's no crime. Her party and party leaders have had a satisfactory explanation

If Angela Rayner has already given a satisfactory explanation, why did her spokesperson say this;

"Angela looks forward to sitting down with the appropriate authorities, including the police and HMRC, to set out the facts and draw a line under this matter".

MrTiddlesTheCat · 21/04/2024 12:19

Soontobe60 · 21/04/2024 11:26

How do you know it’s ‘free of substance’?
An allegation has been made, no satisfactory explanation has been provided. Are we supposed to just ignore it? People have been influenced by the fact of an investigation on both sides - Labour supporters ‘how dare those nasty Conservatives claim such a thing’ and conservative supporters ‘How dare the nasty woman avoid scrutiny’. Its a lose lose situation now.

HMRC have had a satisfactory explanation and say there is nothing to see. The police have already investigated and had a satisfactory explanation and said there's no crime. Her party and party leaders have had a satisfactory explanation. But sad little tory toffs and their pathetic, cap doffing minions refuse to let it go because they're scared of a strong, working class woman. The general public, as evidenced by the QT audience see right through it and are annoyed by the energy and resources being wasted on a nasty, toxic witchhunt.

Soontobe60 · 21/04/2024 11:26

How do you know it’s ‘free of substance’?
An allegation has been made, no satisfactory explanation has been provided. Are we supposed to just ignore it? People have been influenced by the fact of an investigation on both sides - Labour supporters ‘how dare those nasty Conservatives claim such a thing’ and conservative supporters ‘How dare the nasty woman avoid scrutiny’. Its a lose lose situation now.

Clavinova · 21/04/2024 11:24

Startingagainandagain
Dido Harding and all the others who benefited from Covid

Dido Harding was seconded from her existing NHS/public health post to run Test and Trace for a year. The Test and Trace position didn't have an extra salary attached - something the Good Law Project complained about because (they argued) it dissuaded ethnic minority and disabled groups from applying for such positions. You seem to be 'smearing' Dido Harding without any grounds to do so.