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Angela Raynor (and the Lock her Up! Brigade)

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Itradehorses · 20/04/2024 10:46

So Angela Raynor allegedly gave the wrong address to the post office or something, and underpaid her tax bill ten years ago by the cost of a big shop, and this gets the Tories excited. Meanwhile, one of their MPs is defrauding campaign funds and other folks, they know, and don't tell the police for three months. James Daly MP must be furious. Am I right?

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DuncinToffee · 28/05/2024 23:19

It will be like Hodges' 'argument', "why doesn't she just publish the full report and then we definitely will believe her"

BIossomtoes · 28/05/2024 22:57

Clavinova · 28/05/2024 22:46

A mysterious Labour insider - I would be happy to accept this if a senior Labour MP or Angela Rayner herself confirmed it in person - otherwise it's just spin.

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Here you go, from the horse’s mouth, via The Telegraph:

Ms Rayner said she welcomed the conclusion of the police investigation and accused the Tories of using dirty tactics in reporting her to police. She added: “We have seen the Conservative Party use this playbook before – reporting political opponents to the police during election campaigns to distract from their dire record. The public have had enough of these desperate tactics from a Tory government with nothing else to say after 14 years of failure.”

Council house row was Tory attempt to smear me, says Angela Rayner

Labour deputy leader insists police found ‘no issues’ as she accuses Conservatives of whipping up ‘non-story’

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/03/22/angela-rayner-council-house-row-tory-attempt-smear/

Clavinova · 28/05/2024 22:46

BIossomtoes · 28/05/2024 22:44

Doesn't add up to me.

That implies disbelief to me.

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A mysterious Labour insider - I would be happy to accept this if a senior Labour MP or Angela Rayner herself confirmed it in person - otherwise it's just spin.

BIossomtoes · 28/05/2024 22:44

Clavinova · 28/05/2024 22:38

Read my post again.

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Doesn't add up to me.

That implies disbelief to me.

Clavinova · 28/05/2024 22:38

DuncinToffee · 28/05/2024 22:34

You don't believe her then?

Read my post again.

DuncinToffee · 28/05/2024 22:34

You don't believe her then?

Clavinova · 28/05/2024 22:30

DuncinToffee · 28/05/2024 22:13

HMRC cannot comment on personal tax affairs - but a Labour source told the BBC it had concluded she did not owe tax on the sale of the house, after she asked them to look into the matter.

BBC news

Yes - I read similar in the Financial Times;

In addition, a Labour insider said the UK’s tax authority had investigated and dropped the matter. “HMRC looked into this matter at Angela’s request and confirmed there is no capital gains tax liability, and no further action will be taken,” the person said.

A mysterious Labour insider - I would be happy to accept this if a senior Labour MP or Angela Rayner herself confirmed it in person - otherwise it's just spin.

Why did Greater Manchester Police say in the statement today that it had passed information from the inquiry to HMRC if Angela Rayner had already contacted HMRC herself and been given the all-clear? Doesn't add up to me.

DuncinToffee · 28/05/2024 22:13

HMRC cannot comment on personal tax affairs - but a Labour source told the BBC it had concluded she did not owe tax on the sale of the house, after she asked them to look into the matter.

BBC news

Clavinova · 28/05/2024 20:11

DuncinToffee · 28/05/2024 20:08

HMRC do not comment on their tax probes.

I know - I was quite clearly responding to;

confirmation of no wrong doing by the police, HMRC ...

DuncinToffee · 28/05/2024 20:08

HMRC do not comment on their tax probes.

IClaudine · 28/05/2024 20:07

Clavinova · 28/05/2024 19:58

HMRC declined to comment.

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Oh for goodness sake. HMRC aren't going to comment on someone's private financial affairs. Unless it is at the conclusion of a trial.

You just can't bear to have been proved wrong.

Clavinova · 28/05/2024 19:58

Itradehorses · 28/05/2024 19:35

Given today's events and confirmation of no wrong doing by the police, HMRC and Stockport Council, do you think James Daly MP will/should apologise for his dirty tricks campaigning?

HMRC declined to comment.

DuncinToffee · 28/05/2024 19:53

Ben Afolami refuses to apologise on SKy News

https://x.com/Haggis_UK/status/1795525571767865449

Sophie Ridge Would you like to apologise to Angela Rayner on behalf of the Tories?

Bim Afolami(Tory MP): No... I've got nothing else to add

SR: You'd quite a lot to add before?

BA: She could have put an end to this

SR: So it's Angela Rayner's fault then?

BA: Yes

#politicshub

countrygirl99 · 28/05/2024 19:38

Itradehorses · 28/05/2024 19:35

Given today's events and confirmation of no wrong doing by the police, HMRC and Stockport Council, do you think James Daly MP will/should apologise for his dirty tricks campaigning?

It was clearly a let's sling some mud and hope it sticks strategy. They clearly haven't learned that people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

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Itradehorses · 28/05/2024 19:35

Given today's events and confirmation of no wrong doing by the police, HMRC and Stockport Council, do you think James Daly MP will/should apologise for his dirty tricks campaigning?

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Bromptotoo · 15/05/2024 08:29

@User2460177 she bought the house with the discount and sold it after the period during which the discount had to be repaid. It was occupied either by her or her brother. No breach of Right to Buy rules.

I think she was ill advised or made a mistake when the ex-council place was sold but I'd like to see evidence before condemning her for tax fraud. Making a mistake can lead to penalties for late payment but that's not about criminality and I think the time for that has passed.

This needs flashing up in neon because people keep rehashing the same false information to make Rayner look bad.

justasking111 · 15/05/2024 08:31

We've had local councillors and council employees do a lot worse and no-one blinks. The police certainly.

Bromptotoo · 15/05/2024 08:29

@User2460177 she bought the house with the discount and sold it after the period during which the discount had to be repaid. It was occupied either by her or her brother. No breach of Right to Buy rules.

I think she was ill advised or made a mistake when the ex-council place was sold but I'd like to see evidence before condemning her for tax fraud. Making a mistake can lead to penalties for late payment but that's not about criminality and I think the time for that has passed.

DuncinToffee · 14/05/2024 23:16

Make a fat profit

Would you sell your house a a loss or at the same price you bought it for @Viviennemary ?

DuncinToffee · 14/05/2024 23:13

Viviennemary · 14/05/2024 22:27

Ive never liked her and it annoys me that she is so proud of herself and her achievements at the expense of the tax payer. And this latest stunt does her no favours. Let's stop sales of council houses but ok for me to have a second home. Tell lies about where she lived and make a fat profit and not pay the tax due. It totally sickens me. Puts me off voting Labour.

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her achievements at the expense of the tax payer

What do you mean with this?

BIossomtoes · 14/05/2024 22:32

Her achievements aren’t at the expense of the taxpayer. She has every reason to be proud of them. She’s a fantastic role model for young women who are born without a single advantage.

Viviennemary · 14/05/2024 22:27

BIossomtoes · 14/05/2024 21:52

There is good evidence that she lied and defrauded the taxman.

Is there? What is it and where can I find it?

Ive never liked her and it annoys me that she is so proud of herself and her achievements at the expense of the tax payer. And this latest stunt does her no favours. Let's stop sales of council houses but ok for me to have a second home. Tell lies about where she lived and make a fat profit and not pay the tax due. It totally sickens me. Puts me off voting Labour.

BIossomtoes · 14/05/2024 21:52

There is good evidence that she lied and defrauded the taxman.

Is there? What is it and where can I find it?

User2460177 · 14/05/2024 18:54

Solgrass · 21/04/2024 08:55

I find it shocking that people choose to see right or wrong according to which political party they support.

You see no wrong because you vote Labour. You only only see wrong in others that you don’t share political beliefs with.

For society to work, a civil society calls out the wrong of others based upon their actions and not on their politics. If she has done wrong, then people shouldn’t be afraid to admit that.

This won’t be decided by political will or support from the far left. It’s now a police matter.

This is just like the SNP supporters claiming a witch-hunt of Peter and Nicola, suddenly they’ve become quiet. I suspect you lot soon will too

I agree. Angela Rayner seems to have not declared and paid tax that was due. She also got a full discount to buy a council house and made a large profit on it tho it seems she may not have been eligible as she didn’t live in it. That is wrong imo. Whether or not other people do things that are equally wrong is irrelevant. There is good evidence that she lied and defrauded the taxman.

im tired of people making excuses for wrongdoing because they support that party politically. You see so much of it with the SNP. Enough is enough. We need standards in public office