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Trump Trial Time - banish all memories of Mueller.

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Spandauer · 19/04/2024 16:29

Is this #132?
Still trying to rid the world of this troublesome twat.

Old thread here:
www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4912378-trump-gets-gagged-mccarthy-gets-booted-whats-next-in-trumpworld

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AcrossthePond55 · 14/07/2024 00:41

OK, I know I'm going to hell for that.

AcrossthePond55 · 14/07/2024 00:40

Well, someone's a terrible shot.

Spandauer · 13/07/2024 09:50

Back to the Orange Criminal.
Judge Cannon presumably now trying to figure out how she can use the SC Immunity ruling to let Trump off the hook in the classified documents case.
This will be the first real test of how far courts will stretch SCOTUS' decision, especially the provision to keep evidence of official acts off the table, to protect Trump.

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Spandauer · 13/07/2024 09:24

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 12/07/2024 13:22

Am I right in thinking that the only entertainers of whatever kind who made a success of their foray into American politics, at whatever level, have been from the Republican party?

I don't think there have been any Democrat political appointees who would be considered "A" list entertainers /celebrities.The 'big' names like Clint Eastwood, Sonny Bono, Schwarzenegger etc are/were Republicans. I can only think of Al Franken (writer/comedian/SNL) who became a Dem senator but resigned after a #MeToo accusation and Jerry Springer (chat show host) who was mayor of Cincinnati and also worked as an aide for Robert Kennedy.

Other names are often bandied about - like Dwayne Johnson and John Cena - but it most entertainers probably find it more beneficial to declare themselves as Independent.

amp.theguardian.com/film/2023/nov/10/dwayne-the-rock-johnsonus-president-run-party

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Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 12/07/2024 13:22

Am I right in thinking that the only entertainers of whatever kind who made a success of their foray into American politics, at whatever level, have been from the Republican party?

Spandauer · 12/07/2024 13:19

SerendipityJane · 12/07/2024 10:09

Whatever happened to the dream ticket of Taylor Swift and Dolly Parton ?

Can we add George Clooney and/or Bruce 'The Boss' Springsteen to that ticket?

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SerendipityJane · 12/07/2024 10:09

Whatever happened to the dream ticket of Taylor Swift and Dolly Parton ?

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 12/07/2024 09:29

Eyesopenwideawake · 12/07/2024 08:57

Well, that's blown it. At least there's time to chose another candidate before the convention. I SO wish Michelle Obama would run.

@Eyesopenwideawake - I'm sorry, I'm not keeping up at the back properly, when you say "that's blown it", what in particular do you mean? Sadly, there is so much around today which could have blown it, I can't work out precisely what you might be referring to.
Completely with you on Michelle Obama, but her time is not now and anyway, she doesn't want to do it!

borntobequiet · 12/07/2024 09:26

I was reminded of concerns about Ronald Reagan during his second Presidency and found this, a linguistic comparison of his and George H W Bush’s speech over time (Reagan was later diagnosed with Alzheimer’s). (Of course, Biden is much older, and not all dementia is Alzheimer’s.)

Alzheimer's disease (AD) onset can span a decade or more, in which mild cognitive decline precedes more pronounced clinical presentation [1-3]. The appearance of a more precipitous decline is likely the result of failing compensatory strategies, wherein one is eventually unable to mask the underlying deficit.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6922000/

Tracking Discourse Complexity Preceding Alzheimer’s Disease Diagnosis: A Case Study Comparing the Press Conferences of Presidents Ronald Reagan and George Herbert Walker Bush

Changes in some lexical features of language have been associated with the onset and progression of Alzheimer’s disease. Here we describe a method to extract key features from discourse transcripts, which we evaluated on non-scripted news conferences ....

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6922000/#R1

DuncinToffee · 12/07/2024 09:19

According to Jake Sherman, so far 17 House Democrats have called on Biden to step aside

https://x.com/JakeSherman/status/1811574647080575153

Eyesopenwideawake · 12/07/2024 08:57

Well, that's blown it. At least there's time to chose another candidate before the convention. I SO wish Michelle Obama would run.

bluecomputerscreen · 12/07/2024 08:02

oof.

but hopefully it's a good time to re-start and get publicity away from the orange one.

poetryandwine · 11/07/2024 21:17

Spandauer · 11/07/2024 19:29

It seems to be more what she's not saying...
www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna161097

She is doing brilliantly

Spandauer · 11/07/2024 19:29

DuncinToffee · 11/07/2024 17:52

Is Nancy Pelosi suggesting Biden should stand down?

It seems to be more what she's not saying...
www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna161097

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DuncinToffee · 11/07/2024 17:52

Is Nancy Pelosi suggesting Biden should stand down?

borntobequiet · 11/07/2024 17:11

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 11/07/2024 14:07

Did anyone else see George Clooney's take on Biden in an Opinion column in the NYT yesterday?
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/10/opinion/joe-biden-democratic-nominee.html?unlocked_article_code=1.6U0.0A4R.FmwWdrg2t0wr&smid=url-share

That article is both realistic and generous, thanks for the share.

DuncinToffee · 11/07/2024 17:03

It feels like things will start happening after the NATO summit

x.com/MZanona/status/1811424258444365998?t=09MT1XAh69Xp4yiaVk9_Lg&s=19

NEWS: Rep. Mike Quigley says he expects more Dems to come out today and publicly call for Biden to drop out of the race. Says some are waiting for NATO to end.

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 11/07/2024 14:07

Did anyone else see George Clooney's take on Biden in an Opinion column in the NYT yesterday?
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/10/opinion/joe-biden-democratic-nominee.html?unlocked_article_code=1.6U0.0A4R.FmwWdrg2t0wr&smid=url-share

Spandauer · 08/07/2024 17:28

Wallaw · 08/07/2024 16:03

Showing my age, but maybe we need to arrange on of these for Trump

Ha ha! There's quite a few of Trump's associates that could do with a visit from the Land Shark.

(I'm old enough to remember those flared trousers the first time around as well!)

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DuncinToffee · 08/07/2024 16:25

wrong thread

Wallaw · 08/07/2024 16:03

Spandauer · 08/07/2024 08:34

Now the adults are back in the room in the UK (and mostly back in France) I guess all eyes are going to be on Biden at the NATO summit this week.

Could it be make or break for him? If he falters in any way I doubt if he'll be given a pass this time.

Not sure what I'm hoping for - Trump to do a "Robert Maxwell" and disappear?! (Too bad he doesn't like boats... or sharks)

Showing my age, but maybe we need to arrange on of these for Trump

Spandauer · 08/07/2024 08:34

Now the adults are back in the room in the UK (and mostly back in France) I guess all eyes are going to be on Biden at the NATO summit this week.

Could it be make or break for him? If he falters in any way I doubt if he'll be given a pass this time.

Not sure what I'm hoping for - Trump to do a "Robert Maxwell" and disappear?! (Too bad he doesn't like boats... or sharks)

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DuncinToffee · 06/07/2024 22:14

“You are now connected to Air Force One.”

“Mr Prime Minister, congratulations…”

https://x.com/realBenBloch/status/1809671997430915216

poetryandwine · 06/07/2024 19:59

Yes, @Wallaw . I am also flabbergasted by the concept of D Notices. Never lived anywhere else this could be possible, although I suspect more goes on behind the scenes than we realise

But although I was a strong Labour supporter this election, credit all around - especially to Rishi Sunak and Jeremy Hunt - for the graciousness and civility with which power was transferred. That’s quite a contrast with the American scene right now

Wallaw · 06/07/2024 16:52

Really happy and relieved Labour has won. Unlike a lot of people, I like Starmer. I think he's a nice, steady pair of hands with a genuine desire to improve things. I like that he's a bit dull and serious minded. Unfortunately, the country is in such a state, it's going to be a very, very difficult road to success.

As a lucky citizen of both failing democracies 😕, I'd say that unfortunately the UK govt doesn't have any more teeth these days than the US when it comes to transparency and financial accounting. In general they are very fond of costly and time-consuming hearings that result in absolutely nothing happening and have been just as wilfully blind to Russian manipulation/finances as the US. I'm extremely worried not only about Farage having been given this microphone but about the number of people who support him.

One thing that's very different here is how easily the press/media can be shut down by people with wealth. They can go to court for injunctions to prevent the press from reporting on things and superinjunctions to prevent the press from reporting that there's an injunction. It's also not only easier to sue journalists and media outlets here, the loser of a case is liable for the winner's costs. All of which dampens a completely free press.

Two examples of people using the English courts to suppress information:

https://fom.coe.int/en/alerte/detail/107637138

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carole_Cadwalladr#:~:text=The%20Court%20ordered%20that%20damages,than%20%C2%A31m%20in%20costs.

Safety Of Journalists

https://fom.coe.int/en/alerte/detail/107637138

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